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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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welcome Fade to Black I'm your host

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Jimmy Church

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what a great show we've got going on

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tonight it is Tuesday March 7th

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2023 and tonight

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my guests are oming and Soma that's

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right Michael ohming and takisoma join

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us uh we're going to be talking about

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amongst other things the release of

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Project Blue Book I showed everybody

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this last night there it is right there

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we'll talk about that uh tonight and and

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more on that in just a bit but these two

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I call them the team uh two of the great

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most respected uh comic book artists I

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I'm saying I should just say artist

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um in the world and uh with Michael he

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was the executive producer on the powers

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uh TV series from Sony PlayStation ran

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um but it goes beyond that

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um he has written and drawn for Thor

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Ragnarok red Sonia Batman Superman Dick

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Tracy I think I'm in Dick Tracy actually

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and also uh the victories the mice

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Templar and takio United states of

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Murder Inc and many others and Taki is a

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Hugo award nominated artist writer and

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she's a colorist and she has also worked

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on Rapture Synergy the victories United

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Tracy Iron Man and others and both of

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them were talking about working with

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Horse Jinx World Avery Hill these two

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are amazing and it's an honor to call

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them friends

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and to have them back on Fade to Black

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Michael loaming and takisoma what's

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going on guys

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oh it's going it's going we're excited

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to be here thanks for having us yeah all

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right thanks that introduction is pretty

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you know pretty wild yeah you know see

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hearing this and most of uh the audience

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knows you uh because of Fade to Black

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and you know everybody reads comics and

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they know who you guys are but it's

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another thing uh to to hear your voices

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right we could see your work right we

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can read we can you know and appreciate

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it but it's a whole nother thing uh to

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to have you on the show and and have a

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conversation so welcome back and for

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everybody out there

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uh that is watching right now when the

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show intros and you see Fade to Black

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right there and right next to that is uh

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some artwork and that artwork is created

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by Mike gloming and if you look really

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you can see his signature it's right

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there he wanted to make sure that

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forever that his name was on my stuff

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and and all of you know what I don't

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even use my picture in social media

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I use you Michael you probably noticed

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that Taki have you noticed anywhere you

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go on social media it's you guys and uh

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I'm very proud of that thank you

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and I love that it's on your coffee too

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um before anybody the conspiracies start

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tonight and they see me this is not a

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Starbucks cup

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it's a recycled I bought recycled coffee

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cups and they came with a little thing

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oh the used cup oh no I should have I

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should have the owning artwork printed

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you have such a community of artists

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with you too like they're all the time

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like your your Elvis sort of uh skull

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artists uh who are constantly doing

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stuff for you yeah it's been that way

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over the years now suddenly and I don't

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and I'm hearing it over here I'm gonna

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go and uh look at the chat room is that

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coming through the stream okay talk to

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me again Michael

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who okay here's the question

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I've asked you guys this privately

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joking run who's the better artist

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I'm just copying from her all the time

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the thing is I remember um Taki sent me

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some of her artwork uh years ago and I

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something just on my end and I'm just

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listening to it okay and it's not

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broadcasting out which would be great

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sorry about that okay let's we've got so

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um and of course uh I'll hold it up

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again of the release of Project Blue

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um uh sent to me and I opened it I was

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like it's not is it oh no Mana rip that

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thing open and uh I'm so happy to have

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um so okay but this is actually where I

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and a couple of weeks ago I'm I'm you

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know doing my last of us uh routine

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Sunday night got my food comfortable

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ready to go fire up the TV and uh and

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and there was a scene uh who we now know

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is Ellie right and she's

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she's reading comics

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and she holds up and and so and I see I

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um and I went that charming and I I

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freezed it then I backed it up and I

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then I watched the rest of uh of the

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show but I meant to call you that night

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and the next morning I didn't have to

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call you because I saw the tweets and

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social media going out about that scene

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um of you so explain how how did that

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you'll see Ellie find these comic books

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called Savage Starlight

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um that's a homage to the to the game

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the original game last for us where were

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you running around and you're looking

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for stuff some of the Collectibles you

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can get in these games are these series

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of comic books and I did about 10 covers

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did these it was before the game came

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going to be this in this incredible game

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the first game where the story truly

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sucked me in I didn't even play it Taki

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is really more of the gamer than I am so

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she's playing it and I'm watching it to

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wait for my artwork to show up

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but I'm being pulled into the story like

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what you see on the screen like the

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video game is that compelling and I'm

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like what happens next you know I forgot

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that my my art was going to be in there

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and then bam there it was and that was

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really fun yeah but then that night of

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the video games we didn't know that they

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were going to to use it in the show yeah

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so we suddenly just got a bunch of texts

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and we're just as surprised as you you

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you preserve it did you record it

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no we didn't record it or anything but

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out there we can grab so yeah man you

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shoot that on with your cell phone is

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what you do man on the screen and just

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that's great people loved it so much I

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did I probably got like three or four

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different texts that night with you know

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yeah just people taking pictures off of

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the off of the screen with it okay uh

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yeah they're saying yeah the popping is

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coming through the cracklings coming

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through and it's only when you guys are

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um so you know what this is what I'm

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gonna do I'm going to ramble I want you

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guys to sign out and sign back in okay

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and I'll just ramble I'll stay right

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here and I'll wait for you guys to come

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um the uh yeah it's popping a little bit

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um so what what had the scene I don't

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um any spoilers or anything when it

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I'm not going to do that as too

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excellent of a show and the other part

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uh for me when it comes to the last of

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us is how emotional it is and I have

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email uh from a lot of you out there

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um and in social media too saying that

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you've got to play the video game if you

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understand how powerful the show is that

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the video game is just as compelling and

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just as emotional and so now but I'm a

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so the last of us is a PlayStation game

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it is getting ready to get released on

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Steam and and PC and I'm going to jump

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right into it and and start watching it

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what what is what is crazy is for me

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Ellie's character

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and no spoilers here

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her character is powerful

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she is such

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um uh as as a character

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um uh the role that she plays in this is

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so so strong that all of the scenes with

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her uh well you know the series is about

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her I'm I'm right there and I am a part

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of this series and so here I am just

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absorbing every second of the last of us

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and and I I caught that okay let's see

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here's the thing I don't freak out

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anymore

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like Just Go With It man

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um but yeah and so uh you've done a lot

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of your stuff has gone from and in this

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case uh directly to the big screen and

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when it's as big as the last of us which

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is probably the number one TV series on

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right now right it's it's going to make

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you feel good but to have other stuff uh

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go from page to screen how do you make

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that transition like for instance with

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uh just a lot of hoping you know there's

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so much of that stuff is out of your

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control yeah to get to that place

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um while Powers was a a show that

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happened it was optioned way back in

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like 2012 2001 2002 something like that

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um so we had a quite a long journey

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before we we actually got at the screen

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and I've had other projects that have

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been optioned as well and you know those

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options will run out they never get into

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production I've had some go into

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production my one one of my other

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comments called six which is about

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aliens uh was optioned by Fox back in

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the day and it was there was a pilot

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made in 2007 and it looked really good I

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was all excited about it and and then

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there was a writer strike and then it

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didn't happen

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um Powers before it made it on to

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PlayStation was filmed at FX and there

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was a pilot there

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um so there's so much that's out of your

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control and then once it does happen you

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kind of get it feeling you kind of have

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to feel things out about how much they

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want your involvement meaning like the

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studio and the other people involved in

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it and usually there's a slow process

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because oftentimes the creators are a

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little intimidating to bring into the

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into the project as it will be sort of

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dominating or

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too precious with our ideas to let

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things go so there's a whole process

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there that happens and it's it's it's

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it's always different with every

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experience

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um I I want to uh I know we've discussed

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this before but yes I'm going to do this

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at the beginning of the show

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um and it's how you and I met

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and

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um everybody one day I I just I just get

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this email uh from Michael homing and

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and I open it up and hey Jimmy it's Mike

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gloming um I'm a big fan and I just

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wanted to say hello and I wrote Michael

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back

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um I think my exact words were [\h__\h]

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right

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yeah and I said I said I said prove it

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and uh and and then he it was like an

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hour later you sent me uh a drawing of

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of myself and I went it is you because

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I'm a fan I'm a fan of yours and to have

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that uh introduction happen and of

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course uh but that's how I that's how it

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all unfolded and and and that didn't

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happen uh uh or would have happened if

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you weren't a fan of late night talk

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radio and and your journey into

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conspiracies and and UFOs and I was just

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in the way right and you started and and

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in a way not at all you enriched it yes

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and and but but it's it's been your life

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hasn't it and I'm gonna get to talking

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in just a second but this is what you do

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isn't it

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sure I mean I've been interested in this

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this topic all of my life

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um I was an old school Art Bell fan

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um

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the the subject matter always kept me

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interested in and you can see my work

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you know I would often write it into my

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Comics um the the series The victories I

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think I was working on that when I got

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in contact with you

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um and that's about like superheroes

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mixed with modern day conspiracies and

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sort of ancient alien lore and using all

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that really fertile ground as ideas for

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uh for fiction for Fiction comics you

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know and um

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listening to your show was great because

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a lot of that you know the the Heyday of

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the orbel stuff had petered out

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um kind of long before that and I

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couldn't really come across anybody else

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who had a magic that was

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you know comparable and you had your own

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thing and when I was listening to you

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when I found you I was just I was just

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hooked immediately that's why I reached

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out to you I do that quite often when I

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find somebody who's work I find

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interesting whether they're in comics or

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their musician or an archaeologist or

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they're a journalist or whatever if I

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can reach out and I can appreciate what

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they're doing I'll just I'll just let

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them know like I'm a fan and you know I

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like what you do and

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um sometimes that that turns into what

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we have now which is like this this

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friendship

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um I love listening to your show just

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objectively but I also like listening

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because you know we've become Pals over

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the years and um and and that's really

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special I love it yeah and so Taki

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um were you into this before you met

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Michael

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I before or Bigfoot goes anything

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anything paranormal I I was totally into

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um by the time I met Michael though I

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just was so disappointed

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you know that I that I um haven't like

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encountered anything

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um even my brother had a UFO encounter

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um that I mean you know when we were

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children and I'm like I haven't seen

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anything yeah but I really really really

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really want to believe

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um and then like um Michael just kind of

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um we would listen to your show while we

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work and you know a bunch of whole bunch

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of like just podcasts and anything

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um

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especially like you know anything

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paranormal will just listen to you know

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just yeah concert long hours so we have

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a lot of time to listen yeah yeah and

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now the popping is back it might be

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cycling uh you're you're your router

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uh okay let's see if it uh goes away in

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the cycle if not we we know how to fix

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it yeah we'll take another break we'll

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take a lot of breaks tonight apparently

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um but

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um uh Taki was your content was your

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artwork

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um conspiracy related or did you do

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oh

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um I do actually have stories that um

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paranormal stuff

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um

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but I don't have it

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uh published yet

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no I I know the question is before you

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met Michael

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yeah were you doing you know you're

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drawing you're doing your thing where

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you were you conspiracy minded before

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um yes I think so

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you know I mean

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yes I mean like I said I've always

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wanted to believe I've I've always kept

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my eyes open

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I've always been open-minded about you

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know all of these things so yeah

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so when when I found out Michael was

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totally into it I wasn't like oh come on

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exactly you know you gotta go go to the

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other room you know no I was like oh

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okay well

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here's where I'm at and I'm definitely I

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want to believe so show me what you know

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so okay um let's go ahead and take a

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quick break I'm going to pull you guys

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back out just sign back in and I'll keep

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rambling I'll wait for you guys to come

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back and it's uh yeah okay yeah not not

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a big deal not a big deal everybody

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um uh the

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the issue of Blue Book and uh this is

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issue number one so when we are talking

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about

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uh the level of

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it is it's the best

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it's the best and so

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the when you're doing stuff like Thor

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and you're doing Superman and and and

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Dick Tracy you know that level of

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artwork there is a community out there

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we've all heard of Comic-Con where it to

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be a comic artist today

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you have to you have to bring your A

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game okay let's see are you guys are you

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guys back yeah see now it's fixed it's

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the NSA or it's tapping in it's the NSA

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um and we we can jump into a little bit

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of that tonight I know we've done many

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shows uh about uh that subject in the

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past but we can jump back into it

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um but what I was just talking about

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waiting for you guys to come back

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um

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the level when you are at where you guys

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are in the world of comics and and

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novels uh Illustrated novels

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um there are a lot of great artists out

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there and when you are at you know the

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competition it's got to be fierce

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everybody wants work right and the other

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thing is there are millions and millions

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of kids out there drawing every day like

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you guys did Growing Up that are also

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really good coming for your job do you

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feel that pressure

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no but there's a reason for that it's

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it's not that um you know we're so great

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I mean the thing that most comical

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artists most artists suffer from

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something called imposter syndrome where

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we never feel good enough like no matter

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how many and it's one of the things that

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keeps me going honestly is my only sort

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of self-affirmation is completing a book

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and getting it out you know I've done

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something

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um and we're surrounded by people who

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are much more talented than us like the

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talent pool in comics and our friends is

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really deep it's endless but people

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generally are buying our work because

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they want our voices or our point of

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view

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um but like the way that we're telling

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blue book or when Taki and I are working

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together one of our projects we have a

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project coming up about van Gogh it's

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only going to be in our voice so

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somebody can come along and draw a blue

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book way better than I can like the

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cover that I sent you

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um that is not drawn by me on Blue Book

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that cover is drawn by a friend of mine

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Named Dave Johnson and Dave can draw

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circles around me

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yeah around anybody really

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um but you know his voice is his voice

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and my voice is my voice if I was

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working at say strictly for Marvel

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Comics or DC Comics and my my thing or

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Taki saying was let's get on the next

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issue of Iron Man let's get on the next

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issue Superman then that sort of

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competition you're talking about comes

522
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in but we're lucky kind of like you we

523
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we've carved a niche where people are in

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they're buying our thing for us and for

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our voices so it's it's it's both

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challenging and helpful that way yeah

527
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and competition it's something that you

528
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can't really control anyway you just do

529
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you just do what you do and hope for the

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best

531
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yeah

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and

533
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different uh characters right different

534
00:24:01,789 --> 00:23:58,320
different stories different I mean

535
00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:01,799
completely different but to me to my

536
00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:05,880
eyes it's still you do you do uh this

537
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goes to both of you I want to hear from

538
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:08,820
both of you on this

539
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um do you change stylistically a little

540
00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:16,020
bit or are you just you're just you're

541
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:18,419
just Michael you're just hockey and and

542
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:20,940
you're not changing things or is it's

543
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just subtle and only you know the

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consciously I just draw like like I said

545
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my art style is very utilitarian so you

546
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know I just uh I just draw as they come

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out

548
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um the only thing that I think

549
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I put like any kind of effort into like

550
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:41,280
making sure that they look different is

551
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:44,520
in colors I have a certain style that I

552
00:24:50,350 --> 00:24:46,500
apply to like certain titles but outside

553
00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:50,360
of that um the actual drawing drawing um

554
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:54,140
they just come out the way they do

555
00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:56,580
I'm both talking now like neither of us

556
00:25:01,490 --> 00:24:59,460
are the kind of artists who draw we're

557
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,500
not I wouldn't call this great draftsmen

558
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,600
we're great storytellers we're much

559
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:06,000
better in storytelling like the the use

560
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:07,620
of expression I'm very proud of like the

561
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,000
way I can I can be expressive of

562
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:10,559
characters which is why I think like

563
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:12,900
Betty and Barney Hill's story worked so

564
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:14,520
well for me because it was all sort of

565
00:25:18,649 --> 00:25:17,159
face acting and Body Language the way

566
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,659
that I drew them isn't particularly

567
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,640
beautiful it's it's it's the Expressions

568
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,080
that I'm able to give them and it's the

569
00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:24,000
same thing with hockey and her colors

570
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,559
she's figured out how to tell stories

571
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:27,600
like a cinematographer she can tell

572
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,960
stories just in in tones of of coolness

573
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,120
and warmth and greed and

574
00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:35,460
um blues and greens that that tell you

575
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:37,500
something about the characters and the

576
00:25:40,510 --> 00:25:39,480
stories that's being told

577
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:40,520
um

578
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:43,740
do you mess with color at all or do you

579
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:46,740
do you just rest in in the comfort

580
00:25:52,669 --> 00:25:50,820
knowing that you you've got Taki too to

581
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,679
save the day I mean that's what's great

582
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:54,960
about our our relationship you know is

583
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:56,279
we can lean on each other for that kind

584
00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:58,679
of stuff I don't enjoy color

585
00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:59,940
um I'm much better with black and white

586
00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:02,580
or just a blue tone like and a blue book

587
00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:05,220
was a lot easier um but you know we

588
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,900
there's so much of what we do leans on

589
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:09,120
each other um our ability to tell better

590
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:12,659
stories my writing like she's she's been

591
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,340
like a heavy editor for me for a lot of

592
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,840
stuff that she helps give me perspective

593
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:17,279
you know because you write for yourself

594
00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:19,140
whether you're writing the news programs

595
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:20,940
or you're writing what you're going to

596
00:26:24,409 --> 00:26:22,980
say about something I've heard you you

597
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:24,419
know you've written out sort of thesis

598
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:27,000
about different theories and stuff

599
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,620
um and you know you can get locked into

600
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,659
what you're writing it and you can get

601
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,460
tunnel vision and so working with hockey

602
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:34,860
she's able to give me a fresh

603
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:36,779
perspective on stuff when she's drawing

604
00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:38,940
stuff she asks me does this look funny

605
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:42,059
or does this read clearly to you

606
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:43,559
um you know we're never really looking

607
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,779
for for affirmation so much as Direction

608
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:47,039
and

609
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:49,140
a big part of that comes from being able

610
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,700
to put our ego aside

611
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:52,080
um when it comes to the art and

612
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,640
creativity because we just want the best

613
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:56,640
product at the end of the day okay and

614
00:27:00,769 --> 00:26:58,860
the popping just came back so I'm gonna

615
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,779
pull you guys out I know this is a drag

616
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:03,120
I'm so sorry I'll keep rambling don't

617
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:04,380
worry about it

618
00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:07,980
um and what I'm going to jump into next

619
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,539
um and I'm going to keep the audio as

620
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:12,240
clean as possible tonight there is we're

621
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:13,799
going to be talking about UFOs and

622
00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:15,179
conspiracies

623
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:17,400
um all night tonight but there's another

624
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:19,500
thing that I want to address really

625
00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:23,039
quick uh uh before we get into UFOs and

626
00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:25,080
where we are today

627
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,539
um and that is

628
00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:29,700
um a perspective now when you brought up

629
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,039
perspective earlier Michael you were

630
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:34,799
talking about the writing but there is

631
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:37,320
also the artistic part of perspective

632
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:39,779
where

633
00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:45,120
um uh the ability to get a shot a weird

634
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,179
angle that is it's impossible to do in

635
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,360
nature right but you can do that in in

636
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:53,220
comics and that is something that you

637
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,000
are really great at and I think of films

638
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:59,760
like uh about you know the Matrix for

639
00:28:08,350 --> 00:28:01,620
example I I really thought that that was

640
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,850
and you're right like a lot of the

641
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,720
Matrix was envisioned by a conflict

642
00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:14,940
artist and I'm so sorry I'm forgetting

643
00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:16,260
his name

644
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,179
um I'm sure one of our somebody on

645
00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:19,919
Twitter can tell you but most of the

646
00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:22,440
visuals the storyboarding and imagining

647
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:23,820
a scenes was created by a comic book

648
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:25,260
artist that they hired

649
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:28,559
and so how do you is that all from your

650
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:30,900
mind where you want to do that that

651
00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:32,760
crazy

652
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:34,919
um I'll give you an example it involves

653
00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:38,820
me all right so you you gave me a couple

654
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:46,970
yeah but okay those Powers everybody but

655
00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:49,860
what was great about that was you've got

656
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:51,539
my back you've got the other side of the

657
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:54,419
room you've got the explosion

658
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:58,919
um and the uh the it was I don't want to

659
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,779
give it away everybody get get to get

660
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,360
the book but uh it's a delivery of a

661
00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:05,120
bomb

662
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:08,279
and and uh but it was about changing

663
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:10,200
changing the perspectives and getting

664
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,120
the depth of field

665
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:13,679
um is that just going through your mind

666
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:16,620
are you consciously attempting those

667
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:18,179
impossible angles

668
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,340
yeah and it's tough

669
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:22,559
um because sometimes it's just hard to

670
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:24,059
draw those angles

671
00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:25,260
um you know but a lot of that comes from

672
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,179
the training of you know you like film

673
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:29,220
film is a big influence

674
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:31,320
um comic book artists specific artists

675
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,539
are a huge influence in that field

676
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:34,799
um one of the first guys I could think

677
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,659
of is is Jack Kirby and pretty much

678
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:38,820
every Marvel movie you've seen and half

679
00:29:42,289 --> 00:29:40,620
of the DC films you're seeing were all

680
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:42,299
created by this guy or co-created by

681
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,580
this guy Jack Kirby and he was known for

682
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:46,799
his dynamic

683
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:50,039
um camera angles and shots and made

684
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,020
everything exciting the other

685
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:54,240
interesting thing about Jack Kirby was

686
00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:56,100
like he was like an early sort of like

687
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:58,620
Bob Donovan Ancient Aliens kind of guy

688
00:30:03,049 --> 00:30:00,360
like a lot of his work like the eternals

689
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:03,059
and the new gods and stuff it it it's

690
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:04,679
all clearly he was reading all that

691
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:05,580
stuff

692
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:07,799
um he did that comic um about the face

693
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:10,860
on Mars yeah yeah you're right about

694
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:14,880
that and the eternals was like Fade to

695
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:16,700
Black

696
00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:19,980
right so he was like he was not only

697
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:21,899
just tuned into a two-hour our mutual

698
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:24,059
interest but he also just laid the

699
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:25,740
foundation for the field of comics of

700
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,200
like how to tell a dynamic Story how to

701
00:30:32,269 --> 00:30:30,240
tell an interesting page how to make

702
00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:32,279
something just explode off of the page

703
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,919
so whether it's literal action or just

704
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:36,720
somebody drinking tea you know you have

705
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:38,700
to find an interesting way to tell the

706
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,399
story and to to give the visuals so that

707
00:30:45,169 --> 00:30:43,440
it it's it's compelling and also his

708
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:45,179
clear storytelling at the same time so

709
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,919
those are the things I'm thinking about

710
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,179
and

711
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,460
um it's not like I'm strictly I am

712
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:52,380
making it up in my head but it comes

713
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:54,539
from p people have laid down foundations

714
00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:57,480
before that like Alex tof and

715
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,559
um will Eisner and Jack Kirby so uh just

716
00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:03,600
to let everybody know this is how these

717
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:04,919
two work

718
00:31:11,389 --> 00:31:08,220
they're listening to fade to black or

719
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:11,399
something similar all day long and they

720
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:12,299
draw

721
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:16,559
you guys create and so you're there and

722
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:19,140
I've watched all of your videos of you

723
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:23,340
drawing and and it's just amazing uh but

724
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:27,360
you're and and right now especially the

725
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:29,480
last five years forget about the last 20

726
00:31:36,409 --> 00:31:33,000
but the last five years has given you

727
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:36,419
guys a lot of stuff to think about what

728
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,940
what you know and I know that the both

729
00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:41,279
of you are really up on the news you

730
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,559
guys follow this stuff you know all the

731
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,020
personalities and and the other things

732
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,200
uh that are breaking all the time what

733
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:52,559
do you make of this this this conspiracy

734
00:32:00,669 --> 00:31:56,399
world that you put into art coming true

735
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,679
right where it is now it's now happening

736
00:32:05,769 --> 00:32:03,000
what do you think is actually going on

737
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,779
no you have to talk about

738
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:07,799
talk about it

739
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:09,720
um I'll have to come back in September

740
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:11,880
as in September I have a book coming out

741
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:14,399
called project Monarch and it is a

742
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:18,120
conspiracy satire about Stanley Kubrick

743
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:21,899
films the project Monarch stuff and it's

744
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:24,299
and UFOs it's all thrown into this

745
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:26,700
bizarre mixture what I what I hope is

746
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:28,380
really fun it's co-created by my friend

747
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:30,659
Victor Santos we never saw the show

748
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:33,720
polar on on Netflix which is this action

749
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:37,740
film yes it's great he's amazing

750
00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:40,500
um I had such a hard time writing this

751
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:42,299
and drawing this to the point that even

752
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:44,340
after it was drawn I had to rewrite it

753
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:47,700
because a lot of my interest in in the

754
00:32:51,889 --> 00:32:49,740
conspiracy Fields specifically like

755
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:51,899
outside of UFOs but in the conspiracy

756
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:54,539
field it's been about the sort of the

757
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:56,760
whole picture the the the sort of the

758
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:59,159
the people behind it the cultures the

759
00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,419
stuff that's real the stuff that's

760
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,220
clearly fake but it's still just as

761
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,080
interesting

762
00:33:09,889 --> 00:33:06,240
um and for a while it all felt like this

763
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:09,899
very safe what if box you know and uh

764
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:12,419
we'll stay away from Politics as much as

765
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:14,460
possible with this but you know at a

766
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,019
certain point you know when the like the

767
00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:18,000
pizzagate thing broke and then a guy

768
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:20,039
shows up at a pizza place with a gun

769
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,500
some of those jokes no longer really

770
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,659
felt funny anymore

771
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,460
um and I also started worrying about

772
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:28,320
like who I was going to attract with

773
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,580
this story

774
00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:30,720
um who was going to take what I was

775
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:34,200
saying not a sapphire but as reality

776
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:36,360
because it seems like satire died

777
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:41,460
sometime around 2017 2018 right yeah to

778
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:44,340
the point where he actually uh was going

779
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:48,000
to spell it differently yeah yeah I

780
00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:49,559
didn't even want Monarch to be spelled

781
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,380
uh CH and I was gonna go okay

782
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:53,519
um

783
00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:55,380
but then that also gets conspiratorial

784
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,000
itself because I think hey has some sort

785
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:59,039
of special magic number like it's like

786
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:01,260
the 11th letter or something like that

787
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,820
and that's why Aleister Crowley used k

788
00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:05,279
for magic instead of CK and then that

789
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,539
scared me and I was like I don't want to

790
00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:08,820
attract that either and you know like it

791
00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:11,639
just the conspiracy stuff just it got

792
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,859
weird man like it just got really weird

793
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:16,080
so we're still doing it

794
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,879
um but but as far as the conspiracy

795
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:20,399
stuff goes it got it got strange it got

796
00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:22,260
real yeah

797
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,179
um and then of course with like the UFO

798
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,339
the UAP stuff when that broke in 2017

799
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:28,560
you know it seemed like the beginning of

800
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,879
disclosure

801
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:31,320
um we can get more into this stuff you

802
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,760
know obviously but

803
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:34,800
when I was doing Blue Book I realized

804
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:36,780
how much of this we're going through

805
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:41,280
right now is just a repeat of the 50s

806
00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:45,780
um it it is it's actually starting to uh

807
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:47,419
become

808
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:51,300
repetitious and if you look at some of

809
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:54,540
the writing from you know Donald keyhoe

810
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:57,060
or even uh heinek

811
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,300
um uh you know back in the mid 70s it it

812
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:02,700
the Playbook is starting to replay

813
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:07,080
itself and and just maybe that's what is

814
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:09,180
actually going on now talk about you

815
00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:11,820
know putting on tinfoil hats you know

816
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,980
and starting to think like this but you

817
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,839
can you can see you can read the words

818
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:18,119
you can hear it you can see the press

819
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,240
conferences that were done in 1952 yeah

820
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:23,520
when you have Richard Dolan on it like

821
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,099
not only is he just he's very he stays

822
00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:28,320
as much to facts as possible but he

823
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:30,060
often talks about like the Lost history

824
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:33,900
of the um of the UFO Lord like

825
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:36,180
um the the early writers about it

826
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:37,980
um Project Blue Book itself

827
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,140
um and he's quick to point out how this

828
00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:42,180
is often the same stuff just being

829
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,619
replayed out again

830
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,119
I don't know if it's being played out

831
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,800
again in the sense of this is like some

832
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:49,440
sort of written plan or it's just a very

833
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,540
simple way to

834
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:53,040
um I think a lot of it is just

835
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:55,260
purposeful obfuscation because it's just

836
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,380
easy to use this weird UFO stuff to

837
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:01,440
protect your layers of secrecy

838
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,940
um even if those layers of secrecy are

839
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:05,520
simple as just like egos within the

840
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:07,020
military or whatever to just you know

841
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:08,520
you everybody's got their firewalls of

842
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:10,140
information up and stuff and it's just

843
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,359
that's an easy way to muddy the waters

844
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,280
but we seem to go through the same thing

845
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:15,839
we've had

846
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:17,820
um hearings just like we had before in

847
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,320
the 50s you know that's nothing new

848
00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:21,480
we've had hearings in the 70s that's

849
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:23,820
nothing new we had those those hearings

850
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:25,980
in the early 90s those were nothing new

851
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:27,960
everything old is new again you know

852
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,640
like the government will come out and

853
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,980
say you know originally it was a balloon

854
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,359
right that

855
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:34,800
um down in Roswell the first thing they

856
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:38,400
said was we have something unearthly the

857
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,740
next day they go back and they say oh no

858
00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:42,240
it wasn't it was explainable it was this

859
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:44,180
balloon then they'll come out with other

860
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:47,160
reports saying that these things are you

861
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:47,760
know

862
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,359
um

863
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:50,160
are anomalous we don't really know who

864
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:52,020
they are or where they're from and then

865
00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:53,460
they'll have these explanations and that

866
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:55,740
was all in the 60s and 50s 60s and 70s

867
00:37:00,770 --> 00:36:58,740
and that's happening right now too yeah

868
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,780
the exact same steps and that you know

869
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:02,160
it's it's and that's why whenever

870
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:04,140
there's new information that comes out I

871
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:06,420
don't get overly excited I put it just

872
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:08,940
into like a file of information you just

873
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,380
gotta wait it out you know see what

874
00:37:14,089 --> 00:37:12,599
happens with this thing you know yeah

875
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:14,099
you guys stay right there I'm gonna I'm

876
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:16,380
gonna do a test I'm gonna do this and

877
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:21,950
yeah

878
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:27,119
we've got popping of balloons happening

879
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:29,640
here so I'm gonna put you guys you guys

880
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:32,760
just yeah this is you know we're gonna

881
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:35,700
it's okay it's okay

882
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:38,520
um and and here's here's the other thing

883
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:40,500
though

884
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:46,680
um with their work you can see an ebb

885
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:51,180
and flow of of of their subject matter

886
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:53,940
because they are so

887
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:57,240
um entrenched in our community and and

888
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,060
the headlines and everything else they

889
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:02,880
are right there with it and and I see it

890
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:04,740
in their work

891
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:07,500
um one of the things that uh and I've

892
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:09,480
talked to uh Michael about this before

893
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,260
and we'll do it uh uh in just a second

894
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:16,079
um that one of the Michael one of the

895
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:20,220
things that has been missing in uh the

896
00:38:26,050 --> 00:38:23,280
last uh two three four years with uh

897
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:26,060
odni and the reports that have come out

898
00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:31,380
is the abduction phenomenon and I it it

899
00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:34,859
with with uh blue book as you got I know

900
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,839
I know that you're familiar with Betty

901
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:38,880
and Barney Hill but as you get into

902
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:43,320
their story as deep as as you did

903
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,180
um don't you think that that's a voice

904
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,060
that isn't being heard uh by Washington

905
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:50,700
DC and the dod right now is the

906
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:53,700
abduction phenomenon

907
00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:55,260
um I mean it would be hard to tackle

908
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:57,240
though you know because it's there's

909
00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:59,160
there's there's less

910
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:01,320
proof that can go along with that than

911
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:03,480
there is even and it's already enigmatic

912
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:06,540
field of of you know spotting uaps and

913
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,060
UFOs and anomalies I wouldn't even know

914
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,480
where you could really begin with that

915
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:14,400
um and the abduction phenomena is really

916
00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:17,160
really interesting to me because

917
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:19,700
um the way it's changed over the years

918
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,670
um

919
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,599
first of all let me say mostly when I

920
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,040
hear people tell these stories I'm

921
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:32,160
willing to believe what they're saying

922
00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:34,740
um so I think a lot of this might also

923
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:36,599
be that we're in some vague

924
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:40,619
Consciousness driven Universe because a

925
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:42,599
lot of the stories don't make sort of a

926
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:44,280
continuous sense when you look at them

927
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,680
over a long period of time

928
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:48,000
um we had all of these stories about

929
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:49,859
people being abducted because of genetic

930
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,740
reasons that you know the Grays needed

931
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,720
to to replenish their genetic materials

932
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:55,920
and stuff like that and come down and

933
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:58,140
take bits and parts of us and stuff but

934
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,839
this isn't the 1980s anymore if I need

935
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:02,880
your DNA I don't need to put a hood over

936
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,640
you and pull you into my trunk of a van

937
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,160
and like you know take scoop marks out

938
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:10,320
or take your blood or any of this stuff

939
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:11,880
I just go into your home when you're not

940
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:13,619
there and grab your comb

941
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,720
um or your pillow uh that you can you

942
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:17,760
don't need to evasively invasively

943
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:21,599
kidnap somebody to get their DNA

944
00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:24,359
um so and again that's not to say like

945
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:25,560
people have been through these that I

946
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:27,660
disbelieved them it's just I don't think

947
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,579
it is what we think it is

948
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:31,680
um wow that's not true that's a great

949
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:32,579
point

950
00:40:42,290 --> 00:40:39,839
that is strong

951
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,300
I mean it's I spent a lot of time

952
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:43,680
thinking about it just like you just

953
00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:45,720
just like you and and one of the tough

954
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:47,099
Parts is when you've been in this field

955
00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:49,320
for so long you you've listened to your

956
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:51,540
stories to our to our

957
00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:53,700
so what's going on in our conversations

958
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,859
you have to kind of get outside of it

959
00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:58,079
sometimes to to see

960
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:00,119
something different you know and again I

961
00:41:02,690 --> 00:41:01,200
don't mean to say that like somebody

962
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:02,700
like Whitley strieber didn't experience

963
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:04,740
what he experienced and I think with

964
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:06,359
Lee's actually with me if you talk to

965
00:41:10,310 --> 00:41:08,520
him like he's the more that he's gone on

966
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:10,320
the more he's looked at this phenomenon

967
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:12,300
and he's looked at it's like there's

968
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,980
something large going on that's more

969
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:16,079
Consciousness driven and it seems like

970
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,820
everybody the longer that they're in

971
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:19,680
this field this is where they end up

972
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,720
going they end up going from nuts and

973
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:24,720
bolts stuff to the pan-dimensional

974
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:28,920
spirit elves or whatever right

975
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:30,780
um and I think it all like a lot of a

976
00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:33,480
lot of my theories sound very fence City

977
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:36,300
because I'm like not really fully in on

978
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:40,020
stuff but my weirdest idea

979
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:43,260
is that we just live in in a universe so

980
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,320
strange so weird that even the things

981
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,480
that we think are weird here don't even

982
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:49,920
come close to the way the universe

983
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,900
functions you know that we are in some

984
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:53,640
sort of Consciousness driven Universe

985
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:57,240
where time isn't linear and you know all

986
00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:58,680
of that crazy stuff

987
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:00,540
this could all be some sort of weird

988
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:04,020
consequences of our own consciousness

989
00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:06,060
that make this stuff happen because it's

990
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:08,579
so inconsistent but yet so real to

991
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:11,220
people who've experienced it and here's

992
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:13,260
here's the fascinating part about that

993
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,460
is that we as Homo sapiens sapiens are

994
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:20,640
able to ponder this

995
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:24,359
right because there was at one point in

996
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:27,480
human evolution that we thought the same

997
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:32,820
as as monkeys or dogs or zebras we we

998
00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:33,900
didn't

999
00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:35,940
think about the size of the universe or

1000
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:39,420
what an atom is right or nothing no we

1001
00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:42,839
didn't but we have evolved right and our

1002
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:45,780
brains have evolved now we are able to

1003
00:42:52,569 --> 00:42:49,740
sit and have a conversation about extra

1004
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:52,579
dimensional you know

1005
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:55,500
Consciousness processes you know that's

1006
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,040
that's that's insane to me but if

1007
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,960
there's an advanced civilization coming

1008
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:02,640
here

1009
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:05,819
we can't think like them yet we haven't

1010
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:08,280
you know what I mean we we need to

1011
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:11,220
continue to advance because right now we

1012
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:13,619
don't understand it and maybe we're just

1013
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:15,900
not supposed to right now

1014
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:23,390
you are talking no Taki you're capable I

1015
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:25,619
don't know about mine she does have some

1016
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,380
some really great ideas about this stuff

1017
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:31,440
I think about this stuff all the time

1018
00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:34,740
she has a existential dread all the time

1019
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:36,780
I'm just I think about all this stuff

1020
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:38,040
all the time

1021
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:40,500
you know like Mike Michael was just

1022
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,500
asking me last night like uh uh what

1023
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:45,359
kind of aliens

1024
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,220
what is your favorite alien theory that

1025
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:49,380
you you hold is true and I'm like well

1026
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:51,480
give me examples of like alien theories

1027
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:54,180
like what do you mean and he was like uh

1028
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:57,540
if they're um interdimensional if

1029
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:58,440
they're

1030
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,060
um from another planet from another

1031
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:03,359
planet or um what was the third one uh

1032
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,920
pen dimensional

1033
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:06,240
um just from another planet or outside

1034
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:08,040
of the solar system or or us from the

1035
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,780
future oh us from the future and I'm

1036
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,280
like well I don't think it's us from the

1037
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:13,440
future but I you know like you know like

1038
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:15,240
interdimensional or like a fan

1039
00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:17,099
dimensional or whatever I mean if

1040
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:21,300
they're from another galaxy then it is a

1041
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:22,859
different plane of existence right

1042
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,260
because the the

1043
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:27,540
like you're talking light years when

1044
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:28,740
you're talking about light years you're

1045
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:31,020
talking about time travel really right

1046
00:44:35,809 --> 00:44:33,540
so yeah they're from a different

1047
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:35,819
dimension yeah yeah that's it that's a

1048
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:37,380
good point and you guys need to back out

1049
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:39,480
and come right back and I will just keep

1050
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:41,460
rambling we know now it takes about 10

1051
00:44:48,190 --> 00:44:45,540
seconds to reset and but here's here's

1052
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:48,200
the fascinating part about that

1053
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:51,240
is if they're

1054
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:55,200
if there is an existence out there

1055
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:58,380
that's smarter than us and of which

1056
00:45:01,490 --> 00:45:00,180
there are probably trillions maybe

1057
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:01,500
infinite

1058
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:05,099
that we just have trouble

1059
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,900
seeing

1060
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:08,880
we're not meant to see we're not meant

1061
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:12,599
to hear not that there is a barrier in

1062
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:14,760
between us it's that their existence

1063
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:18,060
could be in a in a different time

1064
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:23,480
element and a different uh uh

1065
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:28,560
we we exist at a certain rate at a

1066
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,839
certain frequency and

1067
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:32,520
um so

1068
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,500
we switched out our iPad so maybe maybe

1069
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:37,680
this will be oh you guys are doing an

1070
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:41,520
iPad yeah you guys are so you guys are

1071
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:42,599
so now

1072
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:43,859
thank you

1073
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,619
you're so now yeah we'll see it could be

1074
00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:48,540
a memory thing too by the way you know

1075
00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:51,660
filling up a buffer so

1076
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:53,819
um but but here's back to your point

1077
00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:56,220
though Taki

1078
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:00,540
um if it another when we're talking

1079
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,760
about interdimensional extra dimensional

1080
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:05,040
uh you know in another in another space

1081
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:09,780
and another time space right where they

1082
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:12,060
are arriving here

1083
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:14,040
um and they may be here right now we

1084
00:46:21,010 --> 00:46:17,220
they're just not in our Spectrum right

1085
00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:21,020
and they're popping in and out with us

1086
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:23,940
and I think they have you know I mean if

1087
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:26,700
they have the ability to be here come

1088
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,960
here uh at will then they can appear and

1089
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:32,940
disappear at will as well like I would

1090
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:35,640
imagine so

1091
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:38,220
oh did I blow your mind

1092
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:46,970
but but Taki this is this is where

1093
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:48,839
you're on to something

1094
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:53,940
in that we are trying to understand what

1095
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:57,000
is going on with our level of of

1096
00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:59,099
knowledge right now where we are today

1097
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:01,560
with cell phones in the internet you

1098
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:04,020
know we still don't have flying cars yet

1099
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,020
right and we're trying to understand

1100
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:10,319
something that is is way beyond our

1101
00:47:14,170 --> 00:47:13,319
limits of understanding and and it could

1102
00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:14,180
be

1103
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,339
thousands of different species you said

1104
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,770
right yeah exactly so yeah I mean the

1105
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,400
possibilities are endless which is

1106
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:32,589
and um uh the the

1107
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:36,060
reports that have come out uh we've had

1108
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:38,220
uh two reports

1109
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:40,859
um that kind of flip-flopped uh from the

1110
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:42,780
odni

1111
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:45,960
um the UAP task force whatever label you

1112
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,880
want to put on it

1113
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:50,240
um do you think that

1114
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:53,220
they are considering

1115
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,819
the subject of aliens right off planet

1116
00:48:02,690 --> 00:47:58,740
or are they trying to keep this

1117
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,670
I mean personally I don't think we'll

1118
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:06,240
ever find out

1119
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:09,240
um I I again like um what Richard talks

1120
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:10,920
about a lot is like so much of this is

1121
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:13,380
is about keeping secrets

1122
00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:15,240
um and it's not necessarily keeping

1123
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,619
secrets like oh the American people

1124
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:18,000
can't handle it you know I don't think

1125
00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:19,260
they're considering the American people

1126
00:48:23,809 --> 00:48:21,420
like they've they have an infrastructure

1127
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:23,819
built on secrecy in the Air Force and

1128
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:26,700
NSA and all these different

1129
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:28,980
um organizations and like going way way

1130
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,560
way way back to 9 11 we you know one of

1131
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:33,119
the failings of that was just that that

1132
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,220
lack of communication and it wasn't like

1133
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:36,960
they couldn't communicate they wanted to

1134
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:38,460
keep things you know you keep your

1135
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,720
information here and our information

1136
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:41,520
there

1137
00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:43,020
um and I don't think that's really

1138
00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:44,579
changed that much I mean it's changed in

1139
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:46,859
places where it's had to but that that

1140
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:49,619
atmosphere of secrecy is so part of the

1141
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,300
lattice of all of these structures

1142
00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:53,520
there's why would they give up the

1143
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,260
ability to

1144
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:57,839
um confuse people with you know what's

1145
00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:00,540
going on whether it's about like their

1146
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,220
ability to

1147
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,920
um

1148
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:06,240
I'm not this much of a conspiracy

1149
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:07,859
theorist but their ability to just spy

1150
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,140
on us their ability to track US their

1151
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,480
ability to do anything that they that

1152
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:14,640
they want to do that's in their purview

1153
00:49:18,849 --> 00:49:17,220
um including you know just your typical

1154
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:18,859
secret

1155
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:22,140
flight stuff you know like the sr51 and

1156
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:23,819
all that we know that the CIA

1157
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:26,220
specifically used the UFO Lord to cover

1158
00:49:31,390 --> 00:49:27,540
that

1159
00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:31,400
much

1160
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,660
there or aliens within they won't care

1161
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,240
Michael just said I'm not that much of a

1162
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:39,240
conspiracy theorist

1163
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,680
but

1164
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:43,200
oh man Mike I go to you for my

1165
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:49,250
it's not

1166
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:51,900
I got hit really hard a few years ago

1167
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:53,880
somebody just asked me do you believe in

1168
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,880
UFOs or aliens are visiting us and I

1169
00:50:01,970 --> 00:49:59,280
just realized I've been so wrapped up in

1170
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:01,980
this whole subject in world so long I

1171
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,440
had never really questioned what what do

1172
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,200
I actually believe have you even read

1173
00:50:12,609 --> 00:50:09,680
mice Templar I think

1174
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:12,619
what are you talking about

1175
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,760
well I mean that's actually that's a

1176
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,119
good example there's so much

1177
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:19,680
interesting fascinating stuff in this

1178
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:21,900
field whether it's UFOs or Bigfoot

1179
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:24,300
hardcore conspiracy stuff or fringy

1180
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:26,819
conspiracy stuff that lends itself to

1181
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:28,560
the imagination that you can then use

1182
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:30,839
the springboard often to to other things

1183
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:33,780
or or grab and to bring into your own

1184
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:36,180
um stories so I was really wrapped up in

1185
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,500
that a long time

1186
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:39,540
um as far as

1187
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:41,700
the problem is the older I get the less

1188
00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:48,470
truer words have never been spoken

1189
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:53,180
unfail right there okay uh Taki

1190
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,079
one to one hundred okay don't give me a

1191
00:51:02,650 --> 00:51:01,200
long answer I just want a number from 1

1192
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:02,660
to 100

1193
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:06,660
one being uh aliens have never visited

1194
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:09,720
our planet to 100 they are definitely

1195
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:10,680
here

1196
00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:13,400
what number

1197
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:19,079
97 97 Michael same question to you

1198
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:20,460
I mean technically technically it's a

1199
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:21,240
hundred

1200
00:51:25,309 --> 00:51:23,339
you know I mean we we know like you know

1201
00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:25,319
uh well I guess we don't know but like

1202
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:27,059
the pants for me idea that there's been

1203
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:30,720
you know micro stuff I said I don't want

1204
00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:33,680
a long answer I just want to know

1205
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:36,300
you're going with a hundred right I'll

1206
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,809
have you even read mice Templar

1207
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,109
my one of the things that keeps me

1208
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,640
because I just don't know right

1209
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:53,280
so like like even even like this could

1210
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:54,780
all be some sort of weird spiritual

1211
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,240
thing for all I know just as equally as

1212
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,800
it could be a nuts and bolts thing or a

1213
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:00,599
Consciousness driven thing yeah

1214
00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:03,359
um because none of it really makes sense

1215
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,599
none of it really lines up in a way that

1216
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,119
like just look at the way UFOs have been

1217
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:11,760
um reported over time it always matches

1218
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:13,260
the time period in which it's reported

1219
00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:16,020
so like during the 1800s you have the

1220
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:17,880
Airship flat which was you know

1221
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,280
literally the same stories a hot air

1222
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:22,800
balloon with dudes in suits who didn't

1223
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,680
look human wearing fake beards telling

1224
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:27,359
people that they're from Venus or

1225
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,319
something

1226
00:52:32,290 --> 00:52:30,480
and they take them on this magical ride

1227
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,300
and then return them

1228
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:34,319
you're right you're right you go back to

1229
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:36,960
the Renaissance you go back to Rome you

1230
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:39,059
know flying chariots when was the last

1231
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:40,619
time you heard a UFO report where there

1232
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,260
was a landing pads that left marks in

1233
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,609
things go in Cycles

1234
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:50,640
so that's not to say that this doesn't

1235
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,980
happen ing it's just right right there's

1236
00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:54,480
something weird going on that's much

1237
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:56,220
weirder than

1238
00:53:01,849 --> 00:52:59,460
aliens even okay

1239
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:01,859
um and I'm gonna Circle back I actually

1240
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,720
need to write a note so I can Circle

1241
00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:05,520
back to this point that you just made

1242
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,079
because we're going to argue about this

1243
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:08,960
tonight

1244
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:13,200
I lost my pen okay somebody put it let's

1245
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:15,420
be Supernatural yeah there you go thank

1246
00:53:21,970 --> 00:53:17,339
you and I will say whenever I lose

1247
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:25,490
you're welcome that was that was awesome

1248
00:53:33,069 --> 00:53:26,700
um

1249
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:33,079
can't tell the truth

1250
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:44,210
every day right now right right

1251
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:47,089
you know you can't lie and get away with

1252
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:51,599
it right right so let's say that we go

1253
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:54,119
with the narrative that's going on right

1254
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,500
now all right and then E.T shows up and

1255
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:01,200
the government's not expecting that they

1256
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:03,240
they're they're they're too busy lying

1257
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:06,540
and and you know the ability to prove

1258
00:54:12,109 --> 00:54:08,700
that they're lying hasn't existed but ET

1259
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,119
shows up you know and you've got uh you

1260
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:13,920
know Tucker Carlson goes up with the

1261
00:54:17,410 --> 00:54:15,059
microphone

1262
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:17,420
he goes

1263
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:20,940
is this your first time here right and I

1264
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,359
go oh no we've been we've been advising

1265
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:27,000
governments and including uh all the way

1266
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:31,079
up to Joe Biden uh since uh uh uh

1267
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,859
Emperor Claudius in Rome right we've

1268
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:36,180
always been here

1269
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,020
and then now you you will get caught in

1270
00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:42,240
the lie you cannot take money out of

1271
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,619
your mom's purse and think you're

1272
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:46,319
getting away with it you will get caught

1273
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:49,140
and that's I think that's the situation

1274
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:50,460
that the government is finding

1275
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:53,160
themselves in right now that

1276
00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:55,380
um we are seeing things technology is

1277
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:58,020
there and eventually something is going

1278
00:55:04,010 --> 00:54:59,400
to happen and they're going to get

1279
00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:06,109
they don't know

1280
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:07,619
what

1281
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:10,859
they're hiding

1282
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:13,140
you know what I mean like uh the they

1283
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:14,760
know it's something but they don't

1284
00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:18,319
really know what it is

1285
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:22,859
in what respect uh because Timber Chet

1286
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:25,380
just told Newsweek um I did this today

1287
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,540
on my news if you guys caught it did you

1288
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:30,319
guys listen to okay to Black news today

1289
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:33,599
timberchet just told Newsweek we've got

1290
00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:36,059
an alien craft and we're backwards

1291
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:39,420
engineering it right now uh we don't I

1292
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:42,960
understand the craft but we do have one

1293
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:45,900
that's a pretty bold statement and it

1294
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:47,220
kind of goes along with what you're

1295
00:55:52,089 --> 00:55:49,980
saying Taki right they know they have it

1296
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:52,099
but they don't understand it

1297
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,619
yeah yeah I mean I I didn't hear what

1298
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:57,839
you know what you reported but

1299
00:56:01,490 --> 00:55:59,940
essentially

1300
00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:01,500
it's

1301
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:02,700
you

1302
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:06,000
so it's not really a lie

1303
00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:10,079
you know if you really know what it is

1304
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:14,339
you you can't just let people know this

1305
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:16,440
thing that you don't understand is here

1306
00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:19,800
and you're like here it is yeah they're

1307
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:21,059
sort of in their defense I mean that's

1308
00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:23,700
kind of a good answer or their way out

1309
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,339
really is like they could say yes we've

1310
00:56:31,549 --> 00:56:28,079
had these machines or we've had this

1311
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,559
contact but it is so strange that we had

1312
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:33,119
no way how could we tell the public

1313
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:35,460
about this if we couldn't explain it you

1314
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:36,720
know if we couldn't really tell people

1315
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:38,700
what it was especially if it's like

1316
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,440
super weird you know some of the stories

1317
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:42,839
you hear about like between anti-gravity

1318
00:56:46,609 --> 00:56:45,480
stuff and transformational stuff like

1319
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,619
some of the stories get really weird

1320
00:56:50,089 --> 00:56:48,240
especially the way they get into

1321
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:50,099
people's minds and like the fear that

1322
00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:51,960
this could somehow be out there in the

1323
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,880
world and why aren't you protecting us

1324
00:56:58,790 --> 00:56:55,920
now and like like the The Fallout of

1325
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:58,800
questions that could come out of them uh

1326
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:00,839
saying not only do we know about it but

1327
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:02,940
we also don't know what it is like then

1328
00:57:07,609 --> 00:57:05,760
maybe you get like people you know going

1329
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,619
crazy you know I don't think that the

1330
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,599
that people would lose their minds over

1331
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,760
the fact that that Earth may have been

1332
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:14,400
being visited by aliens I think if you

1333
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:15,480
told them that they're here we don't

1334
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,680
know what they're doing and they're

1335
00:57:19,930 --> 00:57:18,720
infiltrating Our Lives yeah and they've

1336
00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:19,940
always been here

1337
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,020
[Music]

1338
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,720
that that maybe that's irresponsible to

1339
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:26,700
even say out loud I don't know and what

1340
00:57:32,349 --> 00:57:30,240
if ET says well okay actually Obama was

1341
00:57:33,890 --> 00:57:32,359
a reptilian

1342
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,900
yeah

1343
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:35,760
I'm not sure I'm sure it wouldn't change

1344
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:37,380
people's minds politically even that

1345
00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:44,450
everybody's just in their Lane man

1346
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:46,619
yeah right right right

1347
00:57:51,290 --> 00:57:48,900
um do you feel though

1348
00:57:53,809 --> 00:57:51,300
um what's your opinion uh from both of

1349
00:57:55,130 --> 00:57:53,819
you I'll start with Michael do you think

1350
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,140
that they're trying to tell us something

1351
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:56,640
I'm talking about the Department of

1352
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,180
Defense and in Washington D.C do you

1353
00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:02,400
think that these are you know underarm

1354
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,119
slow pitches slow pitch softball

1355
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:07,920
for as far as

1356
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:09,960
common sense as I tried to be about this

1357
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,180
stuff I do think that there is a sort of

1358
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:14,400
internal I don't want to say War but in

1359
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,260
internal struggle there are people it

1360
00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:18,480
seems like on the inside who want to

1361
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:19,980
tell whatever it is that they're running

1362
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:20,880
into

1363
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:22,740
part of which might just be lies that

1364
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:25,619
they've been fed by you know we we know

1365
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:26,940
in Richard Dodie that was one of his

1366
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,980
jobs I'm sure they didn't just do that

1367
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,200
to um citizens they probably did that to

1368
00:58:34,849 --> 00:58:33,359
other people within those companies

1369
00:58:37,849 --> 00:58:34,859
right

1370
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:37,859
um so even if somebody's told in the

1371
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,420
government in the highest levels that

1372
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,280
there were aliens even that doesn't

1373
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:43,200
necessarily mean that there are aliens

1374
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,940
it's just that there's these internal

1375
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:46,559
struggles so

1376
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,780
that's where it gets again I just I keep

1377
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:50,400
asking these extra weird questions so

1378
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:52,140
it's like all right so just because

1379
00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:54,599
you're in the know like say you worked

1380
00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:57,420
at Nasa and somebody from the NSA comes

1381
00:59:01,130 --> 00:58:59,460
in that day and shows you paperwork and

1382
00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:01,140
says this is what happens it doesn't

1383
00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:03,900
necessarily mean it's true yeah it could

1384
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,940
just be some obfuscations and stuff but

1385
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,920
maybe it is true and again you would

1386
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:10,319
just have forces within those those

1387
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:11,880
groups that would want to either keep it

1388
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:14,760
quiet because is advantageous to them or

1389
00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:16,380
that somebody's making money usually

1390
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:18,540
somebody's making money

1391
00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:20,700
um there's so many reasons to have these

1392
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:22,440
sort of like internal struggles I I

1393
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,940
definitely think something's going on

1394
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:25,680
internally whether people have real

1395
00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:28,200
information or false information they

1396
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,400
want to speak and other people want to

1397
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:30,960
keep them quiet well you know people

1398
00:59:36,829 --> 00:59:33,720
want to believe that's it the people

1399
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,839
believe and and you you have your own

1400
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:39,359
experience with this obviously uh the

1401
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:42,540
area 51 caller and when you think about

1402
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:45,180
uh you know Art Bell and that Legacy

1403
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:48,480
right and and close to Coast

1404
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:51,480
um that one of the seminal Moments One

1405
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:54,660
of the Peaks you know was the area 51

1406
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:55,799
caller

1407
00:59:59,809 --> 00:59:57,240
and

1408
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,819
um as much as you know talk about

1409
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:01,920
cognitive dissonance right

1410
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,339
as as much as you want to present

1411
01:00:10,970 --> 01:00:08,160
evidence about that particular call or

1412
01:00:13,309 --> 01:00:10,980
not and and how it got taken off of the

1413
01:00:16,849 --> 01:00:13,319
air and the satellites and whatever you

1414
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:16,859
know the comic timing of synchronicities

1415
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:19,760
that happened uh at that moment

1416
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:22,440
cemented a belief system with people

1417
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:27,599
where they they needed that and and we

1418
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:30,660
saw that play out right

1419
01:00:35,809 --> 01:00:34,440
um now I I'm not I'm not here to to

1420
01:00:38,210 --> 01:00:35,819
revisit

1421
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:38,220
um all of those events but that is a

1422
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:42,480
classic example of holy crap it was real

1423
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:45,359
did you hear our Bell and and and what

1424
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,220
happened when art came back on the air

1425
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:49,680
did everybody hear that and what did

1426
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:52,799
they what was it um the OJ trial right

1427
01:00:58,970 --> 01:00:56,160
remember they jumped over to the OJ yeah

1428
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:58,980
and then came back and R came back on

1429
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,299
the air

1430
01:01:06,289 --> 01:01:03,119
um it was what it was but to this day

1431
01:01:07,789 --> 01:01:06,299
people believe uh what they what they

1432
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,799
need to believe because they want to

1433
01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:10,559
believe in the area 51 callers a great

1434
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:12,599
example of what you're talking about

1435
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:14,520
yeah sometimes it's just it's they're

1436
01:01:19,849 --> 01:01:17,760
they're coincidences that are too hard

1437
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:19,859
to just believe as a coincidence and

1438
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,940
some people believe that there are no

1439
01:01:24,289 --> 01:01:22,559
coincidence so it becomes a sort of

1440
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:24,299
circular thing

1441
01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:25,740
um

1442
01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:28,440
and that in itself is so bizarre like

1443
01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:31,619
you can't you can't explain these

1444
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,380
bizarre coincidences if we can't even

1445
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:36,240
explain that then how are we going to

1446
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:38,040
explain like interdimensional aliens

1447
01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:40,980
coming here you know and whatever you

1448
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:42,420
know means

1449
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:45,599
we don't we don't know anything we're

1450
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:47,400
just kind of flailing about more just

1451
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:49,500
existing and like we're just like what

1452
01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:51,000
what's going on yeah and people are

1453
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:52,020
going to believe what they want to

1454
01:01:58,910 --> 01:01:55,500
believe regardless you know um so if

1455
01:02:02,990 --> 01:01:58,920
you're a if if you're at 50 on the one

1456
01:02:07,150 --> 01:02:03,000
to 100 scale Michael have you even have

1457
01:02:15,770 --> 01:02:11,329
that tells me that you haven't had your

1458
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,780
own sighting or contact or experience I

1459
01:02:20,089 --> 01:02:18,480
um now I have uh good friends and loved

1460
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:20,099
ones who have um one of the reasons why

1461
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:21,780
I love this whole field was my mother

1462
01:02:26,809 --> 01:02:25,319
and my my aunt had a sighting it's very

1463
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:26,819
brief so I can tell you without being

1464
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:30,480
too boring my aunt is blind uh were

1465
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:31,680
legally blind she could barely see

1466
01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:34,440
anything and one night when my mom and

1467
01:02:37,849 --> 01:02:35,940
my aunt were walking back home from a

1468
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:37,859
bingo night so this is like in the 70s

1469
01:02:43,490 --> 01:02:39,900
or whatever my mom sees a classic

1470
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:43,500
triangular shape in the sky and um they

1471
01:02:47,870 --> 01:02:45,780
had been married to uh military people

1472
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:47,880
helicopter pilots and stuff so they they

1473
01:02:51,170 --> 01:02:49,859
I wouldn't say that they could like they

1474
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:51,180
knew all their planes but they knew that

1475
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:52,619
this wasn't a plane

1476
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,920
and what my aunt said was the her my

1477
01:02:59,690 --> 01:02:57,839
mother's voice shaking the way that it

1478
01:03:02,690 --> 01:02:59,700
did she couldn't see it because she's

1479
01:03:04,690 --> 01:03:02,700
legally blind but she felt she knew that

1480
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,700
what my mother was seeing was something

1481
01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:07,680
that was not an airplane

1482
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:08,339
um

1483
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,079
don't know exactly how it ended like

1484
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,760
where it flew away fast or I don't

1485
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:14,160
remember the stories exactly but that

1486
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,440
story is what got me really interested

1487
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,480
and other people that I know and trusted

1488
01:03:23,089 --> 01:03:20,640
have had real sightings and experiences

1489
01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:23,099
you've had one I trust you

1490
01:03:27,230 --> 01:03:24,780
um I know other people have had real

1491
01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:27,240
experiences Takis had a supernatural

1492
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:29,819
experience I've had little teeny tiny

1493
01:03:32,930 --> 01:03:31,260
experiences but nothing that I can't

1494
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:32,940
write off so I'm still waiting and

1495
01:03:37,069 --> 01:03:35,460
that's kind of why I'm 50 50. I know the

1496
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:37,079
moment that I see something real I will

1497
01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:38,640
change my tune and that's fine because

1498
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,020
that's human and that's that's where

1499
01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:42,480
I'll end up Michael and Taki are coming

1500
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:44,520
down to Cassidy Church by the way

1501
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:47,520
everybody and we will cement that belief

1502
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,799
Taki have you seen anything I know you

1503
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,359
mentioned your brother and we can talk

1504
01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:53,520
about that but have you seen anything

1505
01:03:58,849 --> 01:03:55,319
strange in the sky

1506
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:58,859
in the sky definitely not I keep looking

1507
01:04:05,210 --> 01:04:02,400
and we keep getting these binoculars and

1508
01:04:08,930 --> 01:04:05,220
like we go Sky watching all the time and

1509
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:08,940
you know we do actually see weird lights

1510
01:04:15,470 --> 01:04:11,760
that make no sense like movements and

1511
01:04:19,069 --> 01:04:15,480
like uh blinkings and like um impulses

1512
01:04:20,329 --> 01:04:19,079
the pulsing and like even like a uh what

1513
01:04:22,490 --> 01:04:20,339
looks like a shooting star but it's

1514
01:04:24,289 --> 01:04:22,500
definitely not a shooting star all of

1515
01:04:29,569 --> 01:04:24,299
these things

1516
01:04:33,049 --> 01:04:29,579
um but can I definitively say that it's

1517
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,059
you know otherworldly or you know a

1518
01:04:37,549 --> 01:04:35,280
phenomena of some kind not not

1519
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,559
necessarily you know I see weird stuff

1520
01:04:42,289 --> 01:04:39,599
and that's all I know

1521
01:04:43,849 --> 01:04:42,299
so I can't really say that I've seen

1522
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:43,859
anything that

1523
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:47,160
definitely tell me that like I saw

1524
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:48,960
something

1525
01:04:53,329 --> 01:04:51,540
yeah when you least expect it

1526
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,339
you know that's that's all I can say

1527
01:04:57,710 --> 01:04:55,920
it's just like when you least expect it

1528
01:05:00,589 --> 01:04:57,720
and

1529
01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:00,599
um this interview is about you two but

1530
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,460
I'll say this I'm gonna do this because

1531
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:04,079
I'm going to skip commercials tonight

1532
01:05:07,730 --> 01:05:05,460
we're not going to take a break we're

1533
01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:07,740
going to go straight through

1534
01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:10,740
um uh so I'll take I'll take my

1535
01:05:16,970 --> 01:05:13,799
commercial time to share this

1536
01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:16,980
um when I was uh I'm going to give you

1537
01:05:22,910 --> 01:05:19,260
the short version of this but when I was

1538
01:05:26,329 --> 01:05:22,920
shopping for homes here in Palmdale

1539
01:05:30,109 --> 01:05:26,339
um I'm staying at a hotel I'm meeting uh

1540
01:05:33,289 --> 01:05:30,119
my uh real estate agent right and so I'm

1541
01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:33,299
staying at a hotel and uh this

1542
01:05:37,730 --> 01:05:36,540
particular night I wanted to go

1543
01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:37,740
um I don't want to tell the whole story

1544
01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:41,400
I I I'm in my hotel room I wanted in and

1545
01:05:51,410 --> 01:05:42,119
out

1546
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:51,420
and uh I'm I'm walking and and I'm

1547
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:53,880
thinking man Edwards Air Force Base is

1548
01:05:58,849 --> 01:05:56,220
right over there

1549
01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:58,859
man I'm gonna go so I jump in plug it in

1550
01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:00,839
the GPS and I take off

1551
01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:03,660
pull up on the side of the road and and

1552
01:06:07,849 --> 01:06:06,839
I get out and I can see Edwards off in

1553
01:06:09,890 --> 01:06:07,859
the distance

1554
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,900
um I mean what I didn't know until the

1555
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,000
next day was that I was standing smack

1556
01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:14,640
dab in the middle of of of the desert

1557
01:06:18,829 --> 01:06:16,920
there was nothing around me the morocc

1558
01:06:20,089 --> 01:06:18,839
lake bed all of that you know I'm just

1559
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:20,099
in the middle of the desert nothing

1560
01:06:25,970 --> 01:06:23,940
there but uh off and so I'm looking and

1561
01:06:28,910 --> 01:06:25,980
right above Edwards in the black Sky

1562
01:06:31,130 --> 01:06:28,920
just above you know maybe 20 degrees up

1563
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:31,140
just like right in front of me I see

1564
01:06:37,309 --> 01:06:34,799
this thing statically go I was like what

1565
01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:37,319
and it just caught my eye and as I look

1566
01:06:43,870 --> 01:06:39,140
at it it goes

1567
01:06:48,650 --> 01:06:43,880
a ring of lights around the bottom of it

1568
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:48,660
and then I back up and and and then it

1569
01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:58,250
no and I pull out my cell phone I get it

1570
01:07:04,370 --> 01:07:01,380
on video and I'm waiting and I waited

1571
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:04,380
for like 20 minutes in the in the and it

1572
01:07:08,750 --> 01:07:05,940
didn't happen again

1573
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:08,760
so when do you least expect it right and

1574
01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:11,520
then I didn't even get a stinking video

1575
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:14,940
of it the the next day I get up I have

1576
01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:16,200
breakfast

1577
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:18,660
and uh and I'm out front and I'm gonna

1578
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:21,420
oh man I'm gonna go back so I jump in

1579
01:07:26,809 --> 01:07:24,180
the Jeep and and I follow my GPS I go

1580
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:26,819
out and I'm the same spot I see my

1581
01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:30,240
uh tire tracks in the dirt I pull up I

1582
01:07:34,430 --> 01:07:32,579
go back across the street and I look and

1583
01:07:37,549 --> 01:07:34,440
I was thinking when I was driving away

1584
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:37,559
the night before that it must have been

1585
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:40,500
lights on the top of like a radio tower

1586
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:43,260
for the planes or something you know I'm

1587
01:07:49,250 --> 01:07:45,539
trying to rationalize it because I was

1588
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:49,260
not thinking you know Flying Saucer

1589
01:07:53,529 --> 01:07:52,260
stuff that's the other thing this was

1590
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,539
round

1591
01:07:59,210 --> 01:07:56,400
yeah it was trippy so anyway that's what

1592
01:08:04,190 --> 01:07:59,220
I would so I went back to to find these

1593
01:08:07,549 --> 01:08:04,200
radio towers or you know and uh no no no

1594
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:07,559
no no that spot in the sky was just

1595
01:08:11,809 --> 01:08:09,839
Clear Blue Sky the mountains were below

1596
01:08:14,270 --> 01:08:11,819
and now I could see it you know it's in

1597
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:14,280
the middle of the day and when you least

1598
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:16,259
expect it that's that's when that stuff

1599
01:08:22,189 --> 01:08:19,440
happens when when people say did you get

1600
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:22,199
a did you get a picture did you shoot

1601
01:08:26,749 --> 01:08:25,679
video this stuff comes and goes you know

1602
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:26,759
so fast

1603
01:08:32,570 --> 01:08:29,520
my I think going back to Taki's point

1604
01:08:34,010 --> 01:08:32,580
and yours that this just may be some

1605
01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:34,020
interdimensional

1606
01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:37,140
thing some of it may be nuts and bolts

1607
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,500
um that too as well like actual probes

1608
01:08:45,650 --> 01:08:43,199
and and things but I think it comes and

1609
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,660
goes uh so fast and you don't have a

1610
01:08:49,610 --> 01:08:47,040
chance to react

1611
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:49,620
yeah I promised myself like unless it's

1612
01:08:52,910 --> 01:08:51,480
like really close I'm not ever gonna if

1613
01:08:55,070 --> 01:08:52,920
I see something I'm not even gonna

1614
01:08:56,570 --> 01:08:55,080
attempt to film it

1615
01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:56,580
um it's first of all like iPhone stuff

1616
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,500
if you ever try to you know record

1617
01:09:02,269 --> 01:09:00,719
something far away it's not it's not

1618
01:09:03,709 --> 01:09:02,279
built for that you're just not going to

1619
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:03,719
get anything compelling

1620
01:09:06,829 --> 01:09:04,799
um and you're just gonna be distracted

1621
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:06,839
by the moment like I'm just gonna absorb

1622
01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:09,600
as much of of it as I can

1623
01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:10,980
um because a few times we saw something

1624
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:13,259
that was anomalous happened so quickly

1625
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,060
you're immediately even questioning what

1626
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:17,040
you just saw right so if something

1627
01:09:21,309 --> 01:09:18,480
happens I want to be in the moment yeah

1628
01:09:26,809 --> 01:09:21,319
I don't want to miss any of it yeah yeah

1629
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:26,819
if if you blink it's gone right yeah uh

1630
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,000
the um the beer can uh going back to

1631
01:09:36,110 --> 01:09:32,640
your point that lasted about 15 seconds

1632
01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:36,120
that was it and I thought at that time

1633
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,739
and we've all heard the story a million

1634
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:39,359
times we don't need to get into it but

1635
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:42,239
but I thought as slow as it was moving

1636
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:43,799
that we were going to see this thing for

1637
01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:46,440
the next hour it was supposed right no

1638
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,100
clouds it was right there and it just

1639
01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:53,040
and I didn't see it disappear we've

1640
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:54,540
we've been out right there that's that

1641
01:09:58,370 --> 01:09:56,699
that was out at Mount Adams yeah not far

1642
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,380
from where we live so that's that's

1643
01:10:01,850 --> 01:10:00,239
typically the place we'll go to to go

1644
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:01,860
and view stuff

1645
01:10:05,450 --> 01:10:03,600
um now so I don't sound like too much

1646
01:10:06,530 --> 01:10:05,460
like a fence sitter or I'm being too

1647
01:10:09,890 --> 01:10:06,540
rational

1648
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,900
again I think maybe the fact that we're

1649
01:10:13,010 --> 01:10:11,040
um

1650
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:13,020
we look at this sort of creatively and

1651
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:14,400
we're always looking for these sort of

1652
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:15,840
explanations

1653
01:10:20,270 --> 01:10:18,600
maybe we don't need to see something you

1654
01:10:21,770 --> 01:10:20,280
know like maybe this comes to people who

1655
01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:21,780
need to see it for some reason I don't

1656
01:10:25,610 --> 01:10:23,640
know what those reasons are or could be

1657
01:10:27,470 --> 01:10:25,620
but I'm starting to feel that way

1658
01:10:29,630 --> 01:10:27,480
because I've we've we've gotten the cold

1659
01:10:32,030 --> 01:10:29,640
shoulder quite a time a few times

1660
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:32,040
uh going out you know and staying out

1661
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,780
overnight putting out blankets and just

1662
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:35,520
staring up that Mount Adams or other

1663
01:10:39,530 --> 01:10:38,040
places and and not seeing anything you

1664
01:10:42,890 --> 01:10:39,540
know maybe the fact that we're enjoying

1665
01:10:45,229 --> 01:10:42,900
beauty of Nature and questioning

1666
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:45,239
um the universe is enough you know

1667
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:46,800
um not to say that your citing meant

1668
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:48,600
that you needed something I I don't know

1669
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:51,960
but you know if like the ce5 stuff is

1670
01:10:55,850 --> 01:10:53,580
true and a lot of this other sort of

1671
01:10:57,950 --> 01:10:55,860
like telekinetic conversations that

1672
01:10:59,630 --> 01:10:57,960
people are having with other beings and

1673
01:11:01,790 --> 01:10:59,640
stuff is true you know maybe that's part

1674
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,800
of it maybe

1675
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:03,600
maybe it comes to people who needs it

1676
01:11:08,689 --> 01:11:05,880
for for unseen reasons

1677
01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:08,699
have you considered that um Taki brought

1678
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:09,960
this up earlier

1679
01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:13,320
that maybe Consciousness is just our

1680
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:15,060
existence right that is what the

1681
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:18,480
universe is and and this this connection

1682
01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:23,040
of of all is is what the universe is all

1683
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:26,280
about and and we we just don't have a

1684
01:11:30,649 --> 01:11:29,040
grip on what Consciousness is and and

1685
01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:30,659
how to take advantage of it we're

1686
01:11:37,250 --> 01:11:33,480
starting to we know that there's some

1687
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,260
magic but we're not quite there yet and

1688
01:11:41,050 --> 01:11:39,840
to understand how everything may be

1689
01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:41,060
connected

1690
01:11:46,610 --> 01:11:44,460
yeah yeah I mean I I think like I said I

1691
01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:46,620
think about that stuff all the time and

1692
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,560
I I go back and forth sometimes I'm like

1693
01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:52,560
I think we're all connected at like at

1694
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,460
some point or another uh postmortem

1695
01:12:02,510 --> 01:11:59,040
um before birth I don't know

1696
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:02,520
um or while we're sleeping who knows

1697
01:12:06,770 --> 01:12:04,860
um or just subconsciously we're all

1698
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:06,780
connected and sometimes I'm like maybe

1699
01:12:16,729 --> 01:12:15,470
well but here's when you have

1700
01:12:17,689 --> 01:12:16,739
um and I'm sure you've thought about

1701
01:12:22,370 --> 01:12:17,699
this

1702
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,380
if if you're just out you know looking

1703
01:12:27,050 --> 01:12:24,960
up at the night sky and you're maybe not

1704
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,060
reaching out consciously or thinking

1705
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:29,520
about it in those terms right but then

1706
01:12:34,130 --> 01:12:31,800
you get a group of people together and

1707
01:12:38,209 --> 01:12:34,140
then suddenly something lights up in the

1708
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:38,219
night sky that it may not be the ce5

1709
01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:41,400
protocol exactly but it's about

1710
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:44,040
intention and I don't think you know I

1711
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:46,920
think coincidences are real right I mean

1712
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:49,920
you know and so when something goes off

1713
01:12:53,410 --> 01:12:51,600
in the sky that you would never see

1714
01:12:55,970 --> 01:12:53,420
unless you had a group of people there

1715
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,980
then there's obviously something going

1716
01:12:59,870 --> 01:12:57,120
on right

1717
01:13:03,470 --> 01:12:59,880
yeah we um actually the first year I

1718
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:03,480
almost met you was at um contact and

1719
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:05,880
contacting the desert was that was the

1720
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:07,620
the one UFO convention thing that we

1721
01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:09,060
went to

1722
01:13:12,290 --> 01:13:10,620
um and I saw you broadcasting your show

1723
01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:12,300
but I I wasn't sure if that was you yet

1724
01:13:15,530 --> 01:13:13,620
or not it was very early on and

1725
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,540
listening to but that night everybody

1726
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:17,520
would go out into the back like the

1727
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,540
whole group of people were at the

1728
01:13:23,570 --> 01:13:20,400
convention so you know 30 40 people in

1729
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:23,580
the backyard uh of the desert there

1730
01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:26,040
um at that that Resort looking at stuff

1731
01:13:30,169 --> 01:13:28,440
and we saw any like kind of flare up in

1732
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:30,179
the sky where a star got really bright

1733
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:32,040
and then disappeared could be anything

1734
01:13:37,370 --> 01:13:35,460
right after we left there was the

1735
01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:37,380
sighting of this orb thing that flew

1736
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,420
across the desert and

1737
01:13:44,689 --> 01:13:41,040
um I think I think sucralose was there

1738
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:44,699
and maybe Jason Martel I was we were all

1739
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,940
there okay you know the story yeah just

1740
01:13:53,810 --> 01:13:49,520
left

1741
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:53,820
man that was uh and that happened uh two

1742
01:14:02,770 --> 01:13:56,159
or three years in a row the same spot

1743
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:06,709
was there two years two years in a row

1744
01:14:10,910 --> 01:14:09,120
um I don't think they were there the

1745
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:10,920
third year when stuff jumped off but

1746
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:13,260
that's beside the point

1747
01:14:21,649 --> 01:14:17,520
um it was crazy town yeah what had

1748
01:14:24,530 --> 01:14:21,659
happened was uh that particular night

1749
01:14:27,770 --> 01:14:24,540
uh it was George Nori's birthday I'm so

1750
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:27,780
glad so you were there oh you told me

1751
01:14:31,850 --> 01:14:30,300
you were there that's right that's I

1752
01:14:35,149 --> 01:14:31,860
remember us talking about this before

1753
01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:35,159
anyway it's George's birthday and right

1754
01:14:39,770 --> 01:14:37,080
in the middle of that

1755
01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:39,780
um uh birthday party in the dome uh

1756
01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:43,739
somebody comes running in ah right she

1757
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:47,580
writes UFOs right now and uh so we took

1758
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:51,120
off and and we ran down the hill and um

1759
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,120
and everybody was running it was it was

1760
01:14:56,990 --> 01:14:56,159
it was kind of chaotic there for a

1761
01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:57,000
minute

1762
01:15:01,930 --> 01:15:00,060
um and and news travels fast you know

1763
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:01,940
people texting you know get over here

1764
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:06,480
and yeah I mean I I could not believe

1765
01:15:13,310 --> 01:15:08,760
that was my first time

1766
01:15:15,709 --> 01:15:13,320
anything like that and it was going off

1767
01:15:17,630 --> 01:15:15,719
man it was it was things people saw

1768
01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:17,640
things clearly like I remember somebody

1769
01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:19,560
describing like a it was sort of a metal

1770
01:15:25,610 --> 01:15:22,679
spear uh that was reflecting as it was

1771
01:15:27,709 --> 01:15:25,620
moving yeah and and so

1772
01:15:30,649 --> 01:15:27,719
um uh when I got there

1773
01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:30,659
uh when that when that started Michael I

1774
01:15:36,430 --> 01:15:32,520
can't believe you guys missed that you

1775
01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:39,590
somebody somebody Taps on my shoulder

1776
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:41,219
and says

1777
01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:42,719
what's that

1778
01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:46,380
and so we all look and it was this

1779
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:49,260
chrome ball man and it's going low

1780
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:53,040
across the desert everybody was facing

1781
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:55,199
uh whatever this direction okay

1782
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,179
everybody's facing that way so it was to

1783
01:16:02,330 --> 01:16:00,000
my left and it's going across you could

1784
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,340
just see the Silhouettes of the

1785
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:04,320
mountains right and it's like low going

1786
01:16:11,870 --> 01:16:07,920
across the mountain and I you could see

1787
01:16:14,590 --> 01:16:11,880
it was big and it was Chrome and people

1788
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:14,600
were pointing late those giant you know

1789
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:16,159
military

1790
01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:19,260
pointers yeah but I'm looking at it in

1791
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,000
the night vision and I could see the

1792
01:16:25,970 --> 01:16:23,760
lasers hitting this and sparkling so

1793
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:25,980
definitely a solid object it's a solid

1794
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:29,280
object it was what do you think it was I

1795
01:16:34,729 --> 01:16:31,980
it lasted for about five minutes so it

1796
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,739
went across and then turned up

1797
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:36,480
you know it's going across to my left

1798
01:16:42,189 --> 01:16:39,840
and it turns up and then it took like

1799
01:16:45,169 --> 01:16:42,199
five minutes and went across the ground

1800
01:16:47,330 --> 01:16:45,179
and then turned up and then like five

1801
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:47,340
minutes later it was a star it would

1802
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:49,440
just parked all right so not like a

1803
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:50,640
drone that would have disappeared over

1804
01:16:55,610 --> 01:16:53,520
the ridge oh no it went into the

1805
01:16:57,649 --> 01:16:55,620
atmosphere it was gone it just went

1806
01:16:59,090 --> 01:16:57,659
straight up like five minutes just going

1807
01:17:03,709 --> 01:16:59,100
straight up straight up straight up

1808
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:03,719
became a star and then it went

1809
01:17:11,390 --> 01:17:08,000
see that that would change my tune a lot

1810
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:11,400
I definitely saw something

1811
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:12,600
not

1812
01:17:17,090 --> 01:17:15,060
when I look at the videos of that and I

1813
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:17,100
can hear my voice because I'm shouting

1814
01:17:20,510 --> 01:17:18,780
and and there was a little microphone

1815
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:20,520
there to talk on and somebody had a

1816
01:17:26,990 --> 01:17:23,100
microphone and I'm and and you can hear

1817
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:27,000
it uh in the videos that uh the listen

1818
01:17:30,729 --> 01:17:28,320
to my voice

1819
01:17:34,189 --> 01:17:30,739
man

1820
01:17:36,350 --> 01:17:34,199
I was freaking out I was freaking out

1821
01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:36,360
yeah

1822
01:17:43,610 --> 01:17:41,750
what what do you think

1823
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:43,620
I mean it well well it does seem like

1824
01:17:47,689 --> 01:17:45,780
everything old is new again

1825
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:47,699
um there have been some new surprises I

1826
01:17:52,669 --> 01:17:50,159
mean getting those videos that are like

1827
01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:52,679
officially released from um the Air

1828
01:17:57,169 --> 01:17:54,840
Force I think it was the Air Force the

1829
01:17:58,370 --> 01:17:57,179
Navy or the Navy what did you think when

1830
01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:58,380
you saw those

1831
01:18:03,530 --> 01:18:00,840
I mean it looked really compelling to me

1832
01:18:04,910 --> 01:18:03,540
you know like like not it didn't it

1833
01:18:06,410 --> 01:18:04,920
didn't look like an accident of the

1834
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:06,420
camera

1835
01:18:12,590 --> 01:18:10,020
um it didn't look like uh just a generic

1836
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,600
experimental thing to me

1837
01:18:16,250 --> 01:18:14,159
um I think it's possible that some of

1838
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:16,260
those ex well

1839
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:17,880
we didn't have a video of the East Coast

1840
01:18:21,709 --> 01:18:20,040
stuff the East Coast stuff started to

1841
01:18:23,870 --> 01:18:21,719
sound a little bit like the blooms the

1842
01:18:26,570 --> 01:18:23,880
the balloons were described as being

1843
01:18:28,610 --> 01:18:26,580
transparent round with a with a square

1844
01:18:29,689 --> 01:18:28,620
shape inside of it

1845
01:18:30,770 --> 01:18:29,699
um that was missing some of the other

1846
01:18:32,209 --> 01:18:30,780
components that would have really

1847
01:18:34,130 --> 01:18:32,219
matched it up to the balloons but that

1848
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:34,140
was the the object that some of the

1849
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:36,060
pilots said that they saw that seemed to

1850
01:18:39,890 --> 01:18:37,860
zip like right by them

1851
01:18:41,930 --> 01:18:39,900
um so maybe those were actual weather

1852
01:18:44,209 --> 01:18:41,940
balloons but like the the flear and the

1853
01:18:47,090 --> 01:18:44,219
go fast

1854
01:18:48,050 --> 01:18:47,100
um they seemed a lot more compelling

1855
01:18:50,209 --> 01:18:48,060
um

1856
01:18:52,610 --> 01:18:50,219
so I'm wondering like if that's kind of

1857
01:18:54,290 --> 01:18:52,620
the new Evolution of this stuff what

1858
01:18:55,550 --> 01:18:54,300
what do we think is going to happen do

1859
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:55,560
we are we just going to look at another

1860
01:19:00,770 --> 01:18:58,560
50 years of these little tiny clips of

1861
01:19:03,410 --> 01:19:00,780
videos that could be anything from

1862
01:19:05,630 --> 01:19:03,420
anywhere taken out of context on a black

1863
01:19:08,209 --> 01:19:05,640
and white video that's been infrared and

1864
01:19:09,709 --> 01:19:08,219
inverted and you know has all this uh

1865
01:19:12,290 --> 01:19:09,719
information that's been obfuscated off

1866
01:19:13,370 --> 01:19:12,300
of the screen like and what is the

1867
01:19:14,990 --> 01:19:13,380
purpose of that you know I don't

1868
01:19:16,970 --> 01:19:15,000
understand when we keep seeing new

1869
01:19:19,070 --> 01:19:16,980
videos like the the one that came out of

1870
01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:19,080
the Middle East that looks like a little

1871
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,800
um

1872
01:19:24,350 --> 01:19:21,840
that round sphere thing but it's like

1873
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:24,360
three frames out of so many seconds or

1874
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:25,800
something it's I don't even know what

1875
01:19:30,110 --> 01:19:27,840
the purpose of releasing something that

1876
01:19:32,330 --> 01:19:30,120
enigmatic is

1877
01:19:34,090 --> 01:19:32,340
um so what what do you where do you

1878
01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:34,100
think we're going with this yeah is it

1879
01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:37,320
obfuscation you know is it is it trying

1880
01:19:42,050 --> 01:19:38,760
to blur

1881
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:42,060
is it trying to

1882
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:46,080
um once you know well let me ask Taki

1883
01:19:49,490 --> 01:19:48,000
real quick Taki when you saw those

1884
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:49,500
videos

1885
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:52,800
your first reaction like oh this is real

1886
01:19:57,470 --> 01:19:56,159
or was it like come on no I I was like I

1887
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:57,480
don't even know what I'm looking at

1888
01:20:03,290 --> 01:20:01,920
because uh like and I I was like so is

1889
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:03,300
this from

1890
01:20:09,169 --> 01:20:06,420
perspective of like a jet airplane is

1891
01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:09,179
this from like what do we what's the

1892
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:10,920
background what what is it and Mike's

1893
01:20:15,229 --> 01:20:13,860
like I I don't know I think they're

1894
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:15,239
clouds and I'm like Oh I thought we were

1895
01:20:20,510 --> 01:20:17,760
looking at the ground and like none of

1896
01:20:22,130 --> 01:20:20,520
that it was even explained so it was

1897
01:20:24,110 --> 01:20:22,140
just like look at this video look at

1898
01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:24,120
this thing and I'm like but I don't even

1899
01:20:29,689 --> 01:20:27,960
know what I'm looking at so I I I can't

1900
01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:29,699
even really have a

1901
01:20:35,149 --> 01:20:32,640
um an opinion on it at all really like I

1902
01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:35,159
just I'm I just question like what is it

1903
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:36,540
from and like

1904
01:20:41,630 --> 01:20:38,640
from what angle and what are we looking

1905
01:20:43,550 --> 01:20:41,640
at yeah so while there's part of me that

1906
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:43,560
that is feels like oh this is compelling

1907
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:46,080
video that you know the Navy caught the

1908
01:20:49,490 --> 01:20:47,760
other part of it just feels like some

1909
01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:49,500
sort of weird psyop and I wouldn't know

1910
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:51,060
why or what the purpose of that would be

1911
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:53,040
but um

1912
01:20:56,689 --> 01:20:54,960
you know it it feels like what Richard

1913
01:21:00,189 --> 01:20:56,699
Dodie used to do but you know on a

1914
01:21:04,330 --> 01:21:00,199
national level yeah yeah

1915
01:21:09,770 --> 01:21:04,340
I am uh years ago it's like

1916
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:09,780
25 we're in 2023 so 30 years ago I don't

1917
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:14,159
know how 95 95 what year how many years

1918
01:21:19,790 --> 01:21:17,460
it's about 26 27 years ago okay

1919
01:21:21,950 --> 01:21:19,800
um I'm I'm I'm doing my UFO thing I'm

1920
01:21:23,870 --> 01:21:21,960
posting on forums you know I'm on

1921
01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:23,880
perinet or whatever I'm on these

1922
01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:26,640
different forums uh post to post or

1923
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:28,860
whatever and there was this conversation

1924
01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:33,600
going on and uh and I jump in and I did

1925
01:21:38,990 --> 01:21:34,620
a lot

1926
01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:39,000
and I said something then

1927
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,179
which knowing who I am now I haven't

1928
01:21:47,330 --> 01:21:44,400
changed much but this is what I said

1929
01:21:49,550 --> 01:21:47,340
Michael I said with all of the cameras

1930
01:21:51,649 --> 01:21:49,560
in the world is before cell phone

1931
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:51,659
cameras too by the way with all the

1932
01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:52,980
cameras in the world

1933
01:22:01,450 --> 01:21:57,780
where is the one definitive

1934
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:01,460
shot of a UFO I want to see rivets right

1935
01:22:08,510 --> 01:22:04,800
where is I I use the word I said rivets

1936
01:22:10,610 --> 01:22:08,520
right I said where is that because if we

1937
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:10,620
believe where we are and trust me I

1938
01:22:15,290 --> 01:22:13,260
believe we're being visited right but

1939
01:22:16,669 --> 01:22:15,300
where's where's the where's the picture

1940
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:16,679
because

1941
01:22:22,850 --> 01:22:20,040
if these visitations are happening every

1942
01:22:25,970 --> 01:22:22,860
single day here on this planet there

1943
01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:25,980
must be a traffic jam like the 405 out

1944
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:27,960
there of flying saucers flying to this

1945
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:30,120
planet it's got to be bumper to bumper

1946
01:22:36,350 --> 01:22:33,679
so where is the definitive photograph

1947
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:36,360
and here I am today with the sightings

1948
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:40,560
that I've had crazy stuff yeah I haven't

1949
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:41,940
taken a picture

1950
01:22:48,169 --> 01:22:46,080
right so I'm like I'm the Paradox of

1951
01:22:51,169 --> 01:22:48,179
myself

1952
01:22:53,209 --> 01:22:51,179
I mean fair enough I mean

1953
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,219
and even like if

1954
01:22:58,430 --> 01:22:55,920
a photograph that

1955
01:23:01,310 --> 01:22:58,440
is convincing

1956
01:23:03,890 --> 01:23:01,320
it doesn't it's not necessarily like a

1957
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:03,900
an Evidence

1958
01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:05,640
yeah unfortunately now like a good

1959
01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:07,980
photograph is almost anti-evidence right

1960
01:23:11,390 --> 01:23:09,719
like it's the last thing you'd eat

1961
01:23:13,070 --> 01:23:11,400
anymore as a photograph

1962
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:13,080
um and that's the weird thing with these

1963
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:14,340
videos like

1964
01:23:18,530 --> 01:23:16,260
maybe that's why they are being released

1965
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:18,540
by by the Navies because they they know

1966
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:20,100
that they'll be they don't really change

1967
01:23:26,209 --> 01:23:22,920
anything right and this is literally why

1968
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:26,219
we go out and just gonna look ourselves

1969
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:30,000
because until I think we experience it

1970
01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:33,840
ourselves it's We're Not Gonna

1971
01:23:37,130 --> 01:23:35,400
we're not going to look at a photo and

1972
01:23:38,570 --> 01:23:37,140
be like yep that's it that's the

1973
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:38,580
evidence I don't I don't need to look

1974
01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:41,040
any further this is it you know

1975
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,800
I think we want that experience for

1976
01:23:46,130 --> 01:23:45,360
ourselves to

1977
01:23:50,050 --> 01:23:46,140
um

1978
01:23:52,850 --> 01:23:50,060
uh yeah because it's well one is fine

1979
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:52,860
and two we want to believe so you know

1980
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:55,440
right that was you gotta do you gotta go

1981
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:58,800
you gotta go all in Taki yeah you gotta

1982
01:24:05,090 --> 01:24:01,520
make yourself a tin foil hat yeah

1983
01:24:09,229 --> 01:24:05,100
I've got seven yeah

1984
01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:11,870
uh we welcome you and you've got to go

1985
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:15,060
out there and do do a little dance and

1986
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:17,040
let them know that you're cool popping

1987
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,330
you if if uh you know because I know who

1988
01:24:31,729 --> 01:24:29,040
you two are now Pataki I'm gonna ask you

1989
01:24:34,430 --> 01:24:31,739
this first if you do have that moment

1990
01:24:36,410 --> 01:24:34,440
right where you see the beer can like I

1991
01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:36,420
did or the yeah

1992
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:42,310
um

1993
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:45,600
maybe I think I think so

1994
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:48,480
yeah I think so because why would I be

1995
01:24:52,970 --> 01:24:50,159
looking

1996
01:24:54,130 --> 01:24:52,980
right right right right right but but

1997
01:24:57,709 --> 01:24:54,140
but

1998
01:24:59,330 --> 01:24:57,719
when I ask you know do you change

1999
01:25:02,950 --> 01:24:59,340
do you

2000
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:02,960
um jump on a soapbox and start yelling

2001
01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:06,239
or do you just go about your life

2002
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:09,480
I think I would feel peace

2003
01:25:15,649 --> 01:25:14,400
so you know I feel I I would I would I

2004
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,659
think

2005
01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:17,520
the universe would make a little bit

2006
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,000
more sense to me you know that's a great

2007
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:23,280
answer that's a great answer that's an

2008
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:24,540
honest answer

2009
01:25:28,970 --> 01:25:26,760
Mike do you change

2010
01:25:31,010 --> 01:25:28,980
sure but you know I think it depends on

2011
01:25:32,450 --> 01:25:31,020
the the type the kind of sighting like

2012
01:25:34,430 --> 01:25:32,460
let's say we have a really good UFO

2013
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:34,440
sighting like you had or some of our

2014
01:25:38,030 --> 01:25:36,300
friends have had right

2015
01:25:40,669 --> 01:25:38,040
um then I would definitely just be more

2016
01:25:42,410 --> 01:25:40,679
outspoken about it and be like you know

2017
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:42,420
um now I've had my personal experience

2018
01:25:47,930 --> 01:25:44,880
you can hear my voice and you can hear

2019
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,940
you know um my recollection of what

2020
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,679
happened and the circumstances and I can

2021
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,840
be as open as I possibly can anybody to

2022
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:53,760
listen to the story and to try to make

2023
01:25:58,129 --> 01:25:56,400
sense of it if I have like a uh you know

2024
01:25:59,570 --> 01:25:58,139
an abduction experience or some sort of

2025
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,580
you know

2026
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:01,440
um one of those larger Whitley strieber

2027
01:26:05,689 --> 01:26:03,480
things or something

2028
01:26:07,129 --> 01:26:05,699
um who's to say who's to say at that

2029
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:07,139
point what would happen or if somebody

2030
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,639
from the government

2031
01:26:12,110 --> 01:26:10,560
acted as if they were giving me

2032
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:12,120
information because it's like say the

2033
01:26:16,010 --> 01:26:14,159
conspiracy of like entertainment stuff

2034
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,020
is true we want you to get this out or

2035
01:26:20,090 --> 01:26:18,239
not to get this out or whatever that

2036
01:26:21,950 --> 01:26:20,100
could just drive me to Crazy conspiracy

2037
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:21,960
stuff because it's already hard enough

2038
01:26:26,570 --> 01:26:23,520
to make sense of the world when you have

2039
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:26,580
like bigger crazier stuff happen

2040
01:26:29,870 --> 01:26:28,320
um like sometimes when I listen to to

2041
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:29,880
some people have been through these

2042
01:26:34,729 --> 01:26:32,340
experiences and you hear how far they've

2043
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,739
gone and sort of what they believe now

2044
01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:36,719
outside of those experiences this is a

2045
01:26:41,689 --> 01:26:38,699
slippery slope because it's like your

2046
01:26:43,490 --> 01:26:41,699
compass to reality just disappears

2047
01:26:45,890 --> 01:26:43,500
um and and I think I'm prone to that so

2048
01:26:47,330 --> 01:26:45,900
I would be um I'd be in bad shape if

2049
01:26:50,030 --> 01:26:47,340
something real happened because I don't

2050
01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:50,040
know what I would be I turned into you

2051
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,460
know Mel Gibson and conspiracy theory

2052
01:27:00,169 --> 01:26:55,440
right again maybe that's why I'm not

2053
01:27:04,910 --> 01:27:01,689
and

2054
01:27:08,030 --> 01:27:04,920
here's the thing though you've been at

2055
01:27:09,410 --> 01:27:08,040
this research and the phenomena for

2056
01:27:11,870 --> 01:27:09,420
decades

2057
01:27:16,129 --> 01:27:11,880
um and and you built your career around

2058
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:16,139
this mindset but did you so that's

2059
01:27:20,810 --> 01:27:18,960
decades have gone by and there hasn't

2060
01:27:23,450 --> 01:27:20,820
been anything from the government now

2061
01:27:26,450 --> 01:27:23,460
we're having hearings right now we've

2062
01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:26,460
got reports coming through we've got Fox

2063
01:27:32,510 --> 01:27:29,580
and BBC and CNN and the New York Times

2064
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,520
all on board did you ever see a day like

2065
01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:34,320
this coming

2066
01:27:40,370 --> 01:27:38,520
no but it makes sense because like

2067
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,380
and I don't mean that's as an insult to

2068
01:27:46,010 --> 01:27:43,440
our field but like news and journalism

2069
01:27:48,110 --> 01:27:46,020
is so bad now and so driven by clicks

2070
01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:48,120
and money because it's just it's just

2071
01:27:53,149 --> 01:27:50,760
money right they're gonna run this stuff

2072
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:53,159
you know so like even in that angle I

2073
01:27:57,050 --> 01:27:54,719
don't really trust that it's that they

2074
01:27:58,610 --> 01:27:57,060
have a true interest in the story they

2075
01:28:00,530 --> 01:27:58,620
know people are interested so they'll

2076
01:28:01,490 --> 01:28:00,540
they'll run it you know

2077
01:28:03,970 --> 01:28:01,500
um

2078
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:03,980
I think it's as simple as that

2079
01:28:09,169 --> 01:28:06,239
it's nothing that I just I don't have

2080
01:28:15,129 --> 01:28:09,179
the level of distrust that um oh you do

2081
01:28:20,930 --> 01:28:18,530
my my distrust of like

2082
01:28:22,370 --> 01:28:20,940
um journalism has more to do is just the

2083
01:28:25,010 --> 01:28:22,380
quality of

2084
01:28:28,010 --> 01:28:25,020
you know the way that journalists

2085
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:28,020
journalism works now you know

2086
01:28:32,090 --> 01:28:30,239
um because it's all money driven and

2087
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:32,100
Company driven you know the fairness

2088
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:33,780
Doctrine is gone and all that stuff so

2089
01:28:36,770 --> 01:28:35,760
we're just in a different place now so

2090
01:28:38,270 --> 01:28:36,780
it's not even that I think that there's

2091
01:28:40,610 --> 01:28:38,280
a conspiracy I just think it's just

2092
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:40,620
money but what can get the most clicks

2093
01:28:47,470 --> 01:28:43,679
here's the thing we have to go to an

2094
01:28:50,270 --> 01:28:47,480
illustrated novel to get the real truth

2095
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:50,280
there you go yeah that's where we are

2096
01:28:56,209 --> 01:28:53,520
today uh now

2097
01:28:58,370 --> 01:28:56,219
um uh let's change gears just well it's

2098
01:28:59,870 --> 01:28:58,380
same wheelhouse let's change gears a

2099
01:29:02,450 --> 01:28:59,880
little bit

2100
01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:02,460
um when it comes to and you've drawn

2101
01:29:07,550 --> 01:29:04,620
enough of them the both of you the

2102
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:07,560
All-Seeing Eye right the Illuminati

2103
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:10,800
symbolism the the you guys are all about

2104
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:13,679
symbolism and and getting it into your

2105
01:29:18,290 --> 01:29:15,540
artwork

2106
01:29:22,850 --> 01:29:18,300
um is there something

2107
01:29:24,890 --> 01:29:22,860
running the world right now behind the

2108
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:24,900
state actors

2109
01:29:33,050 --> 01:29:29,520
you want to go I think so yes a simple

2110
01:29:36,050 --> 01:29:33,060
answer is yes but again

2111
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:36,060
we'll never know

2112
01:29:39,410 --> 01:29:37,679
I like to think that basically that

2113
01:29:40,490 --> 01:29:39,420
there's a there is a conspiracy of

2114
01:29:43,370 --> 01:29:40,500
opportunity

2115
01:29:45,530 --> 01:29:43,380
so it's not necessarily that there's

2116
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,540
um a Connected Mind of people who are

2117
01:29:50,750 --> 01:29:48,000
controlling things yeah they're not like

2118
01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:50,760
Gathering yeah

2119
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,940
yeah like a good example is like um you

2120
01:29:58,850 --> 01:29:55,440
know I don't believe that there was any

2121
01:30:01,370 --> 01:29:58,860
conspiracy behind 9 11. not until after

2122
01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:01,380
the planes hit after the planes hits

2123
01:30:06,290 --> 01:30:03,480
then there's there's money to be made

2124
01:30:08,090 --> 01:30:06,300
there's power to be gained

2125
01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:08,100
um there's positioning to be made so

2126
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:09,780
that's when the conspiracy stuff starts

2127
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:12,719
to happen and in the weird way whether

2128
01:30:17,149 --> 01:30:14,880
there was conspiracy before that or

2129
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:17,159
after that you kind of get to the same

2130
01:30:20,209 --> 01:30:18,840
place anyway because it's sort of human

2131
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:20,219
nature

2132
01:30:24,050 --> 01:30:22,560
um as far as the symbolism goes I think

2133
01:30:26,090 --> 01:30:24,060
those symbols we see them everywhere

2134
01:30:27,470 --> 01:30:26,100
because they are effective

2135
01:30:29,209 --> 01:30:27,480
um whether there's something behind them

2136
01:30:31,010 --> 01:30:29,219
or not I'm an artist I know about

2137
01:30:32,689 --> 01:30:31,020
composition uh you're an artist you

2138
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:32,699
worked in graphics you know what

2139
01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:35,280
composition is and what it can do you

2140
01:30:38,930 --> 01:30:37,260
know why a triangle is so special like

2141
01:30:41,149 --> 01:30:38,940
you look at a triangle and there are

2142
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:41,159
three to four places that it just draws

2143
01:30:45,649 --> 01:30:42,719
your eye usually right into the center

2144
01:30:47,689 --> 01:30:45,659
of it there's nothing necessarily

2145
01:30:50,330 --> 01:30:47,699
mystical or magical about it but it is

2146
01:30:51,950 --> 01:30:50,340
calling to the human eye to to look at

2147
01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:51,960
it in a certain way there are certain

2148
01:30:55,970 --> 01:30:53,880
shapes that just do that

2149
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:55,980
um uh like uh I forget the name of the

2150
01:31:03,350 --> 01:30:57,300
the the

2151
01:31:05,149 --> 01:31:03,360
doesn't grab you the way that um a

2152
01:31:08,209 --> 01:31:05,159
triangle that's that's evenly spaced

2153
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:08,219
does and it's isosceles that's the word

2154
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:09,360
thank you

2155
01:31:13,070 --> 01:31:10,800
um it doesn't grab you the same way it

2156
01:31:15,530 --> 01:31:13,080
doesn't have the same effect a circle

2157
01:31:16,850 --> 01:31:15,540
um a triangle a star

2158
01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:16,860
um the reason why you see them in

2159
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:18,900
conspiracy stuff is because they do have

2160
01:31:22,850 --> 01:31:20,880
an attraction to the human eye and they

2161
01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:22,860
do grab you in some way

2162
01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:24,840
um subconscious level and stuff and

2163
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:26,940
human mind always look for a pattern

2164
01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:30,480
yeah so you know you put

2165
01:31:34,010 --> 01:31:32,280
bunch of

2166
01:31:38,450 --> 01:31:34,020
um

2167
01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:38,460
like coincidences that like seem like

2168
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:40,440
just crazy

2169
01:31:45,310 --> 01:31:42,840
you can still draw

2170
01:31:47,930 --> 01:31:45,320
uh you know uh

2171
01:31:50,570 --> 01:31:47,940
and like yeah you know because people

2172
01:31:52,970 --> 01:31:50,580
really we can't think outside of a

2173
01:31:54,290 --> 01:31:52,980
pattern so people are always looking for

2174
01:31:55,970 --> 01:31:54,300
patterns and like when you look for a

2175
01:31:59,810 --> 01:31:55,980
pattern that's when conspiracy theories

2176
01:32:04,669 --> 01:31:59,820
really really Thrive I think yeah yeah

2177
01:32:08,750 --> 01:32:06,950
some Egyptians at some point in time

2178
01:32:12,290 --> 01:32:08,760
times earlier than we think or exactly

2179
01:32:14,750 --> 01:32:12,300
when archaeologist thinks I like to have

2180
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:14,760
my foot again I I know the audience is

2181
01:32:17,629 --> 01:32:15,840
going to hate that it's not like a such

2182
01:32:19,370 --> 01:32:17,639
a fence sitter but I like my foot in

2183
01:32:22,490 --> 01:32:19,380
both places I like listening to

2184
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:22,500
archaeologists I like listening to

2185
01:32:26,450 --> 01:32:24,719
um the the the other theories as well I

2186
01:32:28,010 --> 01:32:26,460
like listening to all of it and sort of

2187
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:28,020
balancing it out and then there's my

2188
01:32:31,790 --> 01:32:29,520
mind that's all the imagination stuff

2189
01:32:33,169 --> 01:32:31,800
and then there's like what you think may

2190
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:33,179
have really happened

2191
01:32:42,890 --> 01:32:40,250
and that's got to affect you in a very

2192
01:32:45,709 --> 01:32:42,900
different way than it could ever like me

2193
01:32:48,910 --> 01:32:45,719
looking at at Egypt Through The Eyes of

2194
01:32:55,129 --> 01:32:52,129
yeah yeah when you see Egypt in pictures

2195
01:32:59,649 --> 01:32:55,139
like I do we all do our entire life

2196
01:33:03,129 --> 01:32:59,659
right and then see it in in person and

2197
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:05,750
make any sense it doesn't make any sense

2198
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:09,840
and here but back to your point though

2199
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:13,760
is it that archaeologists and historians

2200
01:33:22,129 --> 01:33:17,600
because they can't figure it out

2201
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:22,139
try to come up with a solution to fit

2202
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:25,440
their belief system right instead of

2203
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:27,600
well you know you're not giving you know

2204
01:33:32,750 --> 01:33:30,480
of course they they carry these rocks on

2205
01:33:34,850 --> 01:33:32,760
their backs for 20 years and just

2206
01:33:36,770 --> 01:33:34,860
stacked them up that's what they did it

2207
01:33:39,229 --> 01:33:36,780
all of everything else you know it's

2208
01:33:41,689 --> 01:33:39,239
kind of an accident you know True North

2209
01:33:44,270 --> 01:33:41,699
it was it was level well they did that

2210
01:33:46,490 --> 01:33:44,280
with strings and water you know and

2211
01:33:48,290 --> 01:33:46,500
they're trying to come up with these

2212
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:48,300
Solutions

2213
01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:51,120
um just to fit their box instead of

2214
01:33:55,550 --> 01:33:52,920
trying to consider something else

2215
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:55,560
because when you see it in person you

2216
01:33:59,689 --> 01:33:58,080
know that what they've been trying to

2217
01:34:02,750 --> 01:33:59,699
push down our throats just simply

2218
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,760
doesn't fit it doesn't it doesn't work

2219
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:04,560
you know what I find it's really useful

2220
01:34:08,750 --> 01:34:06,960
too is um what's been great with with

2221
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:08,760
social media where for all this horrible

2222
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:10,080
stuff this has made other people more

2223
01:34:13,250 --> 01:34:11,760
accessible

2224
01:34:15,649 --> 01:34:13,260
um and I've talked to a lot of

2225
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,659
archaeologists and geologists and

2226
01:34:20,330 --> 01:34:17,520
they're way more open-minded than you

2227
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:20,340
ever think you know because just like

2228
01:34:24,169 --> 01:34:22,560
politics just like social stuff we we

2229
01:34:25,970 --> 01:34:24,179
all tend to draw these sort of circles

2230
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:25,980
around ourselves and to live in these

2231
01:34:28,430 --> 01:34:27,000
bubbles

2232
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:28,440
um and the more you can get outside of

2233
01:34:31,850 --> 01:34:29,520
that and you won't always agree with

2234
01:34:33,530 --> 01:34:31,860
everything that everybody's going to say

2235
01:34:34,729 --> 01:34:33,540
um and you know through the geologists

2236
01:34:36,290 --> 01:34:34,739
and archaeologists that you know that

2237
01:34:38,750 --> 01:34:36,300
coming to your show that they don't have

2238
01:34:40,129 --> 01:34:38,760
the same theories all the time

2239
01:34:42,290 --> 01:34:40,139
um but the more you can listen and

2240
01:34:43,729 --> 01:34:42,300
you're a fan of a student of History

2241
01:34:44,810 --> 01:34:43,739
I've been listening to you talk about

2242
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,820
you've been taking like these history

2243
01:34:48,290 --> 01:34:46,800
courses and how it's opened up your mind

2244
01:34:51,050 --> 01:34:48,300
and it's giving you a deeper knowledge

2245
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:51,060
of stuff I think in our field we could

2246
01:34:55,370 --> 01:34:52,560
do the same by sort of lowering our

2247
01:34:57,169 --> 01:34:55,380
defenses and comparing those to these

2248
01:34:59,450 --> 01:34:57,179
archaeologists who we think are on the

2249
01:35:01,250 --> 01:34:59,460
opposite side of us they think we're on

2250
01:35:02,810 --> 01:35:01,260
the opposite side of them but the truth

2251
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,820
is when you actually start talking

2252
01:35:06,410 --> 01:35:04,320
you'll find there's much more in common

2253
01:35:08,750 --> 01:35:06,420
than there are these divisions even some

2254
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:08,760
of their fingier ideas I've heard a lot

2255
01:35:12,410 --> 01:35:11,040
of archaeologists not poo poo away

2256
01:35:13,970 --> 01:35:12,420
immediately

2257
01:35:14,930 --> 01:35:13,980
um I even heard one recently talking

2258
01:35:16,669 --> 01:35:14,940
about

2259
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:16,679
um like you never say the name right

2260
01:35:26,090 --> 01:35:23,450
even speculating that the time period in

2261
01:35:28,129 --> 01:35:26,100
which that some of the um

2262
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:28,139
carbon dating came up in there was was

2263
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:30,060
very old would have put hunter-gatherers

2264
01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:32,880
into that time period even him saying as

2265
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:34,739
a real archaeologist yeah it's not

2266
01:35:39,110 --> 01:35:36,719
impossible that hunter-gatherers could

2267
01:35:40,669 --> 01:35:39,120
have made this it's not impossible they

2268
01:35:42,649 --> 01:35:40,679
and he was pointing out like Gobekli

2269
01:35:45,290 --> 01:35:42,659
Tech it was made by the beginnings of a

2270
01:35:46,850 --> 01:35:45,300
combination of hunter-gatherers and uh

2271
01:35:49,070 --> 01:35:46,860
stationary you know the beginning of all

2272
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:49,080
all this stuff right so I don't think

2273
01:35:53,209 --> 01:35:50,880
that we're that far apart from the

2274
01:35:55,310 --> 01:35:53,219
archaeologists I think in our field we

2275
01:35:56,810 --> 01:35:55,320
tend to hear from sort of the worst

2276
01:35:58,490 --> 01:35:56,820
examples right because this is the

2277
01:36:00,590 --> 01:35:58,500
easiest thing to point out

2278
01:36:02,090 --> 01:36:00,600
um and it creates these divisions so I

2279
01:36:05,090 --> 01:36:02,100
think the more we can kind of listen to

2280
01:36:06,350 --> 01:36:05,100
to each other the more

2281
01:36:08,750 --> 01:36:06,360
um the more great great information

2282
01:36:12,590 --> 01:36:08,760
we'll get and fantastic ideas that are

2283
01:36:15,070 --> 01:36:12,600
that are provable well I've given you

2284
01:36:17,870 --> 01:36:15,080
your next comic

2285
01:36:25,689 --> 01:36:17,880
Taki when are we gonna do a go Beckley

2286
01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:28,610
and we'll do it tomorrow well that was I

2287
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:30,060
mean that's an interesting thing was was

2288
01:36:33,470 --> 01:36:31,800
I found there's an archaeologist that

2289
01:36:35,629 --> 01:36:33,480
I've gotten to know on Twitter who

2290
01:36:37,550 --> 01:36:35,639
worked at go back with Tepe

2291
01:36:39,229 --> 01:36:37,560
um and he knew class Schmidt um and I

2292
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,239
asked some questions and and it was when

2293
01:36:44,209 --> 01:36:41,600
I was doing the victories which was a

2294
01:36:46,430 --> 01:36:44,219
conspiracy-minded superhero crazy

2295
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:46,440
fiction stuff right and he didn't push

2296
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:48,719
me away at all instead he sent me PDFs

2297
01:36:51,709 --> 01:36:50,880
full of information

2298
01:36:53,090 --> 01:36:51,719
um you know a lot of these

2299
01:36:54,830 --> 01:36:53,100
archaeologists are just a lot more

2300
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,840
willing to share and just be open about

2301
01:36:57,890 --> 01:36:56,159
stuff

2302
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:57,900
um than than we think and he was all in

2303
01:37:02,270 --> 01:37:00,719
for My Imagination Running Wild with

2304
01:37:04,430 --> 01:37:02,280
Gobekli Tepe and stuff and over the

2305
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:04,440
years I've gotten to know him a bit and

2306
01:37:09,410 --> 01:37:07,199
yeah doing uh you know doing a story

2307
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,420
about the badly tapki I think is is in

2308
01:37:14,570 --> 01:37:11,760
the is in the future at some point

2309
01:37:15,890 --> 01:37:14,580
um what do you uh let me ask you this

2310
01:37:19,610 --> 01:37:15,900
hockey

2311
01:37:22,490 --> 01:37:19,620
um uh first off when you hear about

2312
01:37:24,890 --> 01:37:22,500
something like go back Lee tappy and you

2313
01:37:26,350 --> 01:37:24,900
find out that it's 7 000 years older

2314
01:37:30,590 --> 01:37:26,360
than Giza right

2315
01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:30,600
do you do you take what you're hearing

2316
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:32,460
you know shows like this and and stuff

2317
01:37:37,310 --> 01:37:35,520
do you just go down the rabbit hole do

2318
01:37:39,470 --> 01:37:37,320
you jump on the net do you grab books

2319
01:37:40,689 --> 01:37:39,480
and do you start doing the research

2320
01:37:44,450 --> 01:37:40,699
yourself

2321
01:37:47,090 --> 01:37:44,460
I yeah I mean you know Mike and I talk

2322
01:37:49,790 --> 01:37:47,100
about this I'll go back

2323
01:37:53,450 --> 01:37:49,800
quite often like maybe like you know on

2324
01:37:54,890 --> 01:37:53,460
next like unhealthy amounts and uh you

2325
01:37:59,689 --> 01:37:54,900
know we we want to visit there

2326
01:38:01,669 --> 01:37:59,699
definitely I you know uh

2327
01:38:04,490 --> 01:38:01,679
and

2328
01:38:07,330 --> 01:38:04,500
like all I can say is that like it

2329
01:38:10,250 --> 01:38:07,340
excites me so much whatever information

2330
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,260
that they they can dig up and kind of

2331
01:38:15,050 --> 01:38:12,960
have fear theories on I'm just like yeah

2332
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:15,060
I'm into it I want to know I want to

2333
01:38:19,370 --> 01:38:16,320
feel it I want to touch it I want to

2334
01:38:21,470 --> 01:38:19,380
smell it I want to walk on it I wanna

2335
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:21,480
you know I want to do all of it you know

2336
01:38:28,330 --> 01:38:25,550
um

2337
01:38:33,050 --> 01:38:28,340
do you feel

2338
01:38:36,890 --> 01:38:33,060
a follow-up question do you do you do

2339
01:38:39,790 --> 01:38:36,900
you feel that there was

2340
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:39,800
um a technically Advanced civilization

2341
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,199
that predated what they are trying to

2342
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:44,639
teach us

2343
01:38:50,810 --> 01:38:47,760
yeah I think that's so possible like I

2344
01:38:54,890 --> 01:38:50,820
you know uh

2345
01:38:58,250 --> 01:38:54,900
things just disappear they deteriorate

2346
01:39:00,830 --> 01:38:58,260
and you know so who knows what kind of

2347
01:39:03,169 --> 01:39:00,840
technology that was around that you know

2348
01:39:05,930 --> 01:39:03,179
that just kind of

2349
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,940
turn to dust turn turn into the sand and

2350
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:07,440
like we can't

2351
01:39:12,169 --> 01:39:11,520
be we won't know anything at all you

2352
01:39:14,830 --> 01:39:12,179
know

2353
01:39:18,110 --> 01:39:14,840
um there's

2354
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:18,120
to your point I forget the TVs here or

2355
01:39:22,010 --> 01:39:20,000
the name of the series it was on

2356
01:39:26,570 --> 01:39:22,020
Discovery or something

2357
01:39:30,129 --> 01:39:26,580
uh about us in the future right if we

2358
01:39:32,090 --> 01:39:30,139
stopped existing how quickly would our

2359
01:39:33,950 --> 01:39:32,100
deteriorate do you remember what that

2360
01:39:35,810 --> 01:39:33,960
was called I think it was after people

2361
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:35,820
yeah yeah

2362
01:39:41,629 --> 01:39:38,400
after people and I thought that was a

2363
01:39:43,850 --> 01:39:41,639
really good point you know Manhattan as

2364
01:39:46,010 --> 01:39:43,860
crazy as it is

2365
01:39:49,729 --> 01:39:46,020
would not be here in a thousand years

2366
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:49,739
right it would just crumble and turn to

2367
01:39:55,250 --> 01:39:52,560
nothing and then a million years from

2368
01:39:58,129 --> 01:39:55,260
now it would be under you know a

2369
01:39:59,570 --> 01:39:58,139
thousand feet of of dirt uh we would we

2370
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:59,580
wouldn't know that it ever existed

2371
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:01,920
unless you dug yeah well what's

2372
01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:04,560
interesting too is is again both in like

2373
01:40:09,290 --> 01:40:07,080
our field and in quote mainstream

2374
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:09,300
archeology the times just keep getting

2375
01:40:12,649 --> 01:40:10,800
pushed back further and further and

2376
01:40:14,930 --> 01:40:12,659
further you know those footsteps that

2377
01:40:16,490 --> 01:40:14,940
were found in somewhere in the southwest

2378
01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:16,500
recently

2379
01:40:21,229 --> 01:40:18,719
are showing that like that we had people

2380
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:21,239
here 25 000 years ago or something and

2381
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,560
we all remember those stories about

2382
01:40:26,689 --> 01:40:24,480
there was a woman who was digging and

2383
01:40:28,189 --> 01:40:26,699
found some pre-clovis

2384
01:40:29,330 --> 01:40:28,199
um she was an archaeologist found some

2385
01:40:30,050 --> 01:40:29,340
pre-clovis

2386
01:40:32,930 --> 01:40:30,060
um

2387
01:40:34,129 --> 01:40:32,940
evidence and she lost her whole career

2388
01:40:36,050 --> 01:40:34,139
over it right and that was only like a

2389
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,060
13 000 year mark or something I forget

2390
01:40:40,610 --> 01:40:38,639
that whole story but now we're pushing

2391
01:40:42,290 --> 01:40:40,620
it back even further and further we're

2392
01:40:44,750 --> 01:40:42,300
also finding that even the Neanderthals

2393
01:40:46,370 --> 01:40:44,760
were smarter than we gave them credit

2394
01:40:48,590 --> 01:40:46,380
for more organized than we ever gave

2395
01:40:51,890 --> 01:40:48,600
them credit for there was recently a

2396
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:51,900
finding of Neanderthals using fire to

2397
01:40:57,950 --> 01:40:54,960
cook meat uh which is a new idea yeah

2398
01:41:00,530 --> 01:40:57,960
yeah so if you think about us like as

2399
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,540
modern humans for as long as we've been

2400
01:41:04,970 --> 01:41:02,639
around as modern humans we had the same

2401
01:41:07,370 --> 01:41:04,980
brain capacity the same capacity to

2402
01:41:08,810 --> 01:41:07,380
think and once you're a hunter-gatherer

2403
01:41:11,390 --> 01:41:08,820
like that's not a simple thing to do

2404
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,400
you're talking about abstract ideas that

2405
01:41:15,530 --> 01:41:13,199
you have to place together to predict

2406
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:15,540
where the animals were where they're

2407
01:41:20,810 --> 01:41:18,000
going to go how to cook them like that's

2408
01:41:23,390 --> 01:41:20,820
a high level work together with other

2409
01:41:24,290 --> 01:41:23,400
people yeah so to go from there to say

2410
01:41:26,330 --> 01:41:24,300
well

2411
01:41:28,750 --> 01:41:26,340
but they couldn't use books

2412
01:41:33,290 --> 01:41:28,760
yeah exactly exactly

2413
01:41:36,109 --> 01:41:33,300
the the uh there was this uh news story

2414
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:36,119
I I I I I did it on the news I'm

2415
01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:39,840
stuttering because I was so blown away

2416
01:41:45,790 --> 01:41:42,540
um this is what's today Tuesday I think

2417
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:45,800
I did it Thursday of last week

2418
01:41:51,370 --> 01:41:50,400
they found in the south of France in a

2419
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:51,380
cave

2420
01:41:56,990 --> 01:41:55,679
bows and arrows that were 54 000 years

2421
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:57,000
old

2422
01:42:04,970 --> 01:42:00,800
now stop and wrap your head around that

2423
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:04,980
bows and arrows 54 000 years old the

2424
01:42:11,209 --> 01:42:09,360
earliest evidence of bows and arrow use

2425
01:42:15,229 --> 01:42:11,219
in in Europe

2426
01:42:18,290 --> 01:42:15,239
was 12 000 years ago so suddenly we

2427
01:42:22,609 --> 01:42:18,300
pushed it back over you know 42 000

2428
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:22,619
years added on 42 000 years man yeah you

2429
01:42:27,950 --> 01:42:25,440
know now wait a minute here what does

2430
01:42:29,890 --> 01:42:27,960
that suggest to you

2431
01:42:32,510 --> 01:42:29,900
I mean I do think that there were

2432
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:32,520
earlier civilizations I don't I don't

2433
01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:34,080
think they were necessarily Globe

2434
01:42:38,090 --> 01:42:35,880
trotting but like they would have been

2435
01:42:40,129 --> 01:42:38,100
the equivalent of you know sort of where

2436
01:42:42,109 --> 01:42:40,139
Egypt was his height where China was at

2437
01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:42,119
its height you know in in the ancient

2438
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:43,260
times

2439
01:42:46,430 --> 01:42:44,639
um that there was traveling there was

2440
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,440
knowledge you know we already know that

2441
01:42:51,470 --> 01:42:48,960
that ancients traveled much further than

2442
01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:51,480
we kind of think about these days

2443
01:42:54,350 --> 01:42:52,440
um

2444
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:54,360
I I don't think that there was necessary

2445
01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:57,360
I think if there was a a globe traveling

2446
01:43:02,930 --> 01:43:00,119
thing it would show up in the DNA again

2447
01:43:05,330 --> 01:43:02,940
we can kind of test people and see how

2448
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:05,340
far back we go

2449
01:43:09,950 --> 01:43:07,920
I don't know well how long does DNA last

2450
01:43:11,689 --> 01:43:09,960
like if you what if because you can't

2451
01:43:13,370 --> 01:43:11,699
get it out of fossilized stuff right I

2452
01:43:14,770 --> 01:43:13,380
haven't used haven't you read mice

2453
01:43:17,330 --> 01:43:14,780
Templar

2454
01:43:18,530 --> 01:43:17,340
did you right have you have you even

2455
01:43:21,010 --> 01:43:18,540
read

2456
01:43:23,390 --> 01:43:21,020
um but but think about that though

2457
01:43:25,129 --> 01:43:23,400
what were they uh what

2458
01:43:26,450 --> 01:43:25,139
weight out of

2459
01:43:30,530 --> 01:43:26,460
it like um

2460
01:43:33,169 --> 01:43:30,540
for that long in a cave you know

2461
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,179
hermetically sealed on funken Wagner's

2462
01:43:39,770 --> 01:43:35,760
porch because you see the thing is this

2463
01:43:43,010 --> 01:43:39,780
though uh a Jurassic Park yeah right a

2464
01:43:46,430 --> 01:43:43,020
DNA surviving in the blood of uh what

2465
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,440
was that like Amber it was an Amber and

2466
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:48,719
it was like a Nat right

2467
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:51,420
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so maybe I'm

2468
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:53,760
wrong about that maybe I I don't I don't

2469
01:43:58,250 --> 01:43:55,679
know if you can pull DNA after a certain

2470
01:43:59,810 --> 01:43:58,260
time period so no I think they're

2471
01:44:02,570 --> 01:43:59,820
growing I think they're what we're about

2472
01:44:04,010 --> 01:44:02,580
to have woolly mammoths I think those

2473
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:04,020
are

2474
01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:07,920
um and I think we have uh some uh some

2475
01:44:12,050 --> 01:44:10,020
Sabretooth action coming up I'm not

2476
01:44:14,030 --> 01:44:12,060
playing around about this there was

2477
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:14,040
there was a press release that came out

2478
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:16,800
a couple of weeks ago in China where

2479
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:20,400
they have extracted DNA from a woolly

2480
01:44:27,470 --> 01:44:24,960
mammoth and they are going to

2481
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:27,480
um birth them in in modern elephants

2482
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:29,520
yeah I I heard about

2483
01:44:35,090 --> 01:44:32,239
yeah yeah

2484
01:44:36,770 --> 01:44:35,100
these are crazy so maybe that's I mean

2485
01:44:38,450 --> 01:44:36,780
that would that would be the the quote

2486
01:44:41,390 --> 01:44:38,460
Smoking Gun for this older civilization

2487
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:41,400
right is if we could find the DNA

2488
01:44:46,910 --> 01:44:44,159
um all around the world going back to

2489
01:44:49,970 --> 01:44:46,920
that that time period right what would

2490
01:44:51,129 --> 01:44:49,980
freak people out more uh the planet as a

2491
01:44:54,910 --> 01:44:51,139
whole

2492
01:44:59,090 --> 01:44:54,920
aliens are visiting us right now

2493
01:45:04,189 --> 01:45:01,669
right I mean what would for you know you

2494
01:45:07,850 --> 01:45:04,199
know the ice melt in Antarctica and we

2495
01:45:11,390 --> 01:45:07,860
find uh another version of Paris weirdly

2496
01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:11,400
I think that um the bad news would be it

2497
01:45:17,570 --> 01:45:14,940
um Atlantis because people just tend to

2498
01:45:20,209 --> 01:45:17,580
find a way to create divisions

2499
01:45:22,370 --> 01:45:20,219
and I think that would be a huge divider

2500
01:45:23,810 --> 01:45:22,380
whereas if there was some sort of alien

2501
01:45:27,229 --> 01:45:23,820
presence or something there's a little

2502
01:45:29,209 --> 01:45:27,239
bit more of a hey guys it's it's us in

2503
01:45:31,370 --> 01:45:29,219
this together you know whether it was

2504
01:45:33,169 --> 01:45:31,380
for the for for for better or worse or

2505
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:33,179
for neither there would be a sort of a

2506
01:45:36,649 --> 01:45:35,520
sense of like we are one people there's

2507
01:45:38,090 --> 01:45:36,659
always going to be somebody who's like

2508
01:45:41,649 --> 01:45:38,100
oh wait we were the chosen ones because

2509
01:45:50,169 --> 01:45:45,830
right no we would do the Atlantean DNA

2510
01:45:52,570 --> 01:45:50,179
test yeah yeah 23 and me

2511
01:45:55,850 --> 01:45:52,580
you're Atlantean

2512
01:45:58,930 --> 01:45:55,860
I I I I think you're right though

2513
01:46:03,649 --> 01:45:58,940
I think that would really

2514
01:46:06,109 --> 01:46:03,659
uh freak some people's minds out that we

2515
01:46:09,229 --> 01:46:06,119
weren't you know a hundred thousand

2516
01:46:11,930 --> 01:46:09,239
years old Homo sapiens sapien that uh

2517
01:46:15,010 --> 01:46:11,940
you know that 500 million years ago

2518
01:46:17,149 --> 01:46:15,020
there was a whole nother thing here

2519
01:46:18,530 --> 01:46:17,159
I'm surprised people are more freaked

2520
01:46:21,530 --> 01:46:18,540
out that we just know that there were

2521
01:46:23,450 --> 01:46:21,540
other humans you know other branches of

2522
01:46:25,729 --> 01:46:23,460
humans that just didn't make it like

2523
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:25,739
they were technically non-humans because

2524
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:28,320
they were you know like these other

2525
01:46:31,970 --> 01:46:30,239
branches and I don't have the vocabulary

2526
01:46:33,410 --> 01:46:31,980
for it but anthropologists are always

2527
01:46:34,729 --> 01:46:33,420
talking about how they were like you

2528
01:46:36,109 --> 01:46:34,739
know these these smaller people or the

2529
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:36,119
larger guys and all this kind of stuff

2530
01:46:38,570 --> 01:46:37,199
and

2531
01:46:39,950 --> 01:46:38,580
um like

2532
01:46:42,410 --> 01:46:39,960
I mean we were already kind of living

2533
01:46:44,510 --> 01:46:42,420
with other non-humans and it's weird

2534
01:46:47,689 --> 01:46:44,520
that we all sort of evolved from the

2535
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,699
same places and ended up being just

2536
01:46:50,510 --> 01:46:49,679
completely different

2537
01:46:52,189 --> 01:46:50,520
um

2538
01:46:54,430 --> 01:46:52,199
but that freaks me out I'm surprised

2539
01:46:57,890 --> 01:46:54,440
more people aren't like

2540
01:47:02,030 --> 01:46:57,900
no it it is such a crazy thing to

2541
01:47:03,250 --> 01:47:02,040
consider that Neanderthal denisovan

2542
01:47:05,570 --> 01:47:03,260
right

2543
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:05,580
Cro-Magnon yeah

2544
01:47:13,310 --> 01:47:08,719
um uh the olmecs you know all of these

2545
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:13,320
uh different versions of us right I mean

2546
01:47:20,570 --> 01:47:16,800
pretty much you know 10 fingers ten toes

2547
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:20,580
they wore clothes there there are some

2548
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:24,000
theories that uh Neanderthal might have

2549
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:25,920
spoken and had a language and had vocal

2550
01:47:32,050 --> 01:47:30,239
cords right yes so why do they they do

2551
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:32,060
they went extinct

2552
01:47:37,450 --> 01:47:34,800
extinct or is that a second watch is

2553
01:47:44,530 --> 01:47:37,460
that Bigfoot

2554
01:47:50,510 --> 01:47:45,950
[Music]

2555
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:50,520
you know or I'd like to think that

2556
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:55,199
you know there were civilizations as as

2557
01:48:00,410 --> 01:47:58,080
um advances us or even more advanced uh

2558
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:00,420
in the past and uh we just don't have

2559
01:48:06,410 --> 01:48:03,600
any evidence of them but I think

2560
01:48:10,129 --> 01:48:06,420
that theory is actually pretty legit to

2561
01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:10,139
me you know uh there's nothing that um

2562
01:48:14,270 --> 01:48:12,540
that says otherwise like why couldn't

2563
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,280
they have existed

2564
01:48:18,649 --> 01:48:17,040
you know I we're just learning more and

2565
01:48:20,270 --> 01:48:18,659
more just that that people the farther

2566
01:48:24,290 --> 01:48:20,280
you go back they were just as smart as

2567
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:24,300
us you know look at the last call caves

2568
01:48:31,609 --> 01:48:27,600
right have you seen Warner hertzog's uh

2569
01:48:33,530 --> 01:48:31,619
documentary yeah okay when you watch

2570
01:48:38,890 --> 01:48:33,540
that doctor you're in you two are

2571
01:48:42,169 --> 01:48:38,900
artists right and and uh when you

2572
01:48:46,669 --> 01:48:42,179
you see you see those images and that's

2573
01:48:48,649 --> 01:48:46,679
40 000 years ago man yeah and they were

2574
01:48:51,410 --> 01:48:48,659
they were more of an artist than the

2575
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:51,420
both of you combined absolutely I'm

2576
01:48:55,010 --> 01:48:52,800
constantly shocked when I look at those

2577
01:48:56,990 --> 01:48:55,020
like the there's there's both an

2578
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:57,000
anatomical correctness and an expression

2579
01:49:00,290 --> 01:48:58,800
of abstraction

2580
01:49:02,149 --> 01:49:00,300
um that doesn't get like

2581
01:49:04,250 --> 01:49:02,159
for lack of better word lowbrow or

2582
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:04,260
childish as we can kind of see sometimes

2583
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:08,880
it's so it was so realistic and so

2584
01:49:14,930 --> 01:49:11,760
um and it told a story even a whole

2585
01:49:19,550 --> 01:49:14,940
story the motion the motion was there

2586
01:49:23,209 --> 01:49:19,560
yeah yeah it's incredible I mean like I

2587
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:23,219
said there it's you know show me an

2588
01:49:28,850 --> 01:49:24,719
evidence that that

2589
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:28,860
um that takes that that idea out then

2590
01:49:35,209 --> 01:49:31,920
oh I'll believe you but until until you

2591
01:49:37,729 --> 01:49:35,219
can disprove that

2592
01:49:40,970 --> 01:49:37,739
um intelligent you know

2593
01:49:42,770 --> 01:49:40,980
uh civilizations exist in the past

2594
01:49:45,530 --> 01:49:42,780
I'm going to continue to believe that it

2595
01:49:47,530 --> 01:49:45,540
probably happened yeah probably well you

2596
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:47,540
know if if Earth is four and a half

2597
01:49:52,250 --> 01:49:50,400
billion years old right and how many

2598
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,260
millions are in a billion well a

2599
01:49:58,189 --> 01:49:55,440
thousand Millions that's a lot of time

2600
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,199
span so if you just take the last

2601
01:50:02,510 --> 01:50:00,719
billion years of earth when we had this

2602
01:50:04,490 --> 01:50:02,520
atmosphere right and things were

2603
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:04,500
different tuna you know it was different

2604
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:06,960
when there was a lot of lava uh you know

2605
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,080
being it was kind of hard to breathe but

2606
01:50:15,169 --> 01:50:12,480
if you just go back in the last billion

2607
01:50:19,370 --> 01:50:15,179
years a thousand millions and if we're

2608
01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:19,380
only 200 000 years old us how many

2609
01:50:23,330 --> 01:50:21,060
civilizations could have risen and

2610
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:23,340
fallen in that in that little time

2611
01:50:27,950 --> 01:50:24,239
period

2612
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:27,960
exactly I mean seriously just

2613
01:50:33,410 --> 01:50:31,199
you know disprove that then then we can

2614
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:33,420
we can talk about this but and yeah yeah

2615
01:50:37,250 --> 01:50:35,520
again I think they existed they have to

2616
01:50:38,990 --> 01:50:37,260
have existed yeah

2617
01:50:40,729 --> 01:50:39,000
everybody was smarter than we think they

2618
01:50:42,770 --> 01:50:40,739
were like let's say for instance like

2619
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:42,780
everything you saw in Egypt let's say it

2620
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:44,400
happened the way

2621
01:50:47,209 --> 01:50:45,840
um the history books are saying that it

2622
01:50:49,129 --> 01:50:47,219
happened

2623
01:50:51,530 --> 01:50:49,139
um and we can't quite figure out how

2624
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:51,540
they built these things again I think it

2625
01:50:54,649 --> 01:50:53,040
goes back to they were just smarter than

2626
01:50:57,649 --> 01:50:54,659
we give them credit for I think they

2627
01:51:00,890 --> 01:50:57,659
they used leverage and they use

2628
01:51:02,689 --> 01:51:00,900
um Manpower they used like basically

2629
01:51:04,669 --> 01:51:02,699
very normal stuff

2630
01:51:10,729 --> 01:51:04,679
in a smarter way than we can right now

2631
01:51:15,050 --> 01:51:13,669
talking with the big brain yeah but

2632
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:15,060
we've been thinking about how did they

2633
01:51:17,810 --> 01:51:16,800
move these rocks for about what 200

2634
01:51:19,609 --> 01:51:17,820
years

2635
01:51:20,750 --> 01:51:19,619
right and we still don't know and we

2636
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,760
still don't know they had thou they had

2637
01:51:24,530 --> 01:51:22,560
like a thousand years from the the

2638
01:51:26,510 --> 01:51:24,540
pre-dynastic time periods before they

2639
01:51:29,090 --> 01:51:26,520
built that to think about how do we move

2640
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:29,100
these things around so not only were

2641
01:51:34,189 --> 01:51:31,920
they as smart as us they had more time

2642
01:51:35,689 --> 01:51:34,199
to think about it and and almost like

2643
01:51:38,030 --> 01:51:35,699
that's all they thought about because

2644
01:51:39,890 --> 01:51:38,040
that's what they were building with

2645
01:51:41,629 --> 01:51:39,900
um so again they're just smarter than

2646
01:51:44,810 --> 01:51:41,639
anybody wants to give them credit for

2647
01:51:49,810 --> 01:51:44,820
our past your point though is so well

2648
01:51:52,729 --> 01:51:49,820
taken in that if we let's just go with

2649
01:51:56,990 --> 01:51:52,739
the Dogma that we have been told right

2650
01:51:58,729 --> 01:51:57,000
let's just go right there that at 3000

2651
01:52:07,910 --> 01:51:58,739
BC

2652
01:52:09,229 --> 01:52:07,920
crawling out of the desert and the next

2653
01:52:13,550 --> 01:52:09,239
day

2654
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:13,560
new geometry engineering astronomy uh

2655
01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:17,119
right uh social skills agriculture

2656
01:52:25,129 --> 01:52:21,060
organization religion they had one day

2657
01:52:27,290 --> 01:52:25,139
to the next suddenly we had an upright

2658
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:27,300
civilization but that's what's really

2659
01:52:31,970 --> 01:52:29,520
interesting is we're now learning

2660
01:52:33,770 --> 01:52:31,980
we're starting to find those little gaps

2661
01:52:36,530 --> 01:52:33,780
in time that we're missing like even

2662
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,540
when go bigly Tepe first came around it

2663
01:52:40,189 --> 01:52:38,639
was like they came out of nowhere right

2664
01:52:42,350 --> 01:52:40,199
and now they're starting to find stuff

2665
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:42,360
older than Gobekli Tepe they're finding

2666
01:52:47,629 --> 01:52:45,360
uh pre-pottery stuff in that area these

2667
01:52:49,609 --> 01:52:47,639
are the same people so it didn't like

2668
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:49,619
like it didn't just happen overnight

2669
01:52:53,450 --> 01:52:52,080
there are these stepping stones that

2670
01:52:55,010 --> 01:52:53,460
that led to it but all those pieces are

2671
01:52:56,510 --> 01:52:55,020
missing and these are the stuff that

2672
01:52:58,189 --> 01:52:56,520
we're all fighting about which is really

2673
01:53:00,290 --> 01:52:58,199
interesting because like I know it's

2674
01:53:01,850 --> 01:53:00,300
hard to wait but you know as more

2675
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:01,860
information comes out and if we can get

2676
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:04,320
more money into these fields so they can

2677
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:06,480
do more excavations and to do them

2678
01:53:10,370 --> 01:53:08,400
faster you know there's places that are

2679
01:53:12,050 --> 01:53:10,380
sitting around that everybody who has

2680
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:12,060
the craziest Fringe ideas and

2681
01:53:15,770 --> 01:53:13,679
everybody's in the very mainstream ideas

2682
01:53:17,930 --> 01:53:15,780
they all want to get to but there's no

2683
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:17,940
money for it you know like it's you

2684
01:53:21,590 --> 01:53:19,679
still need unfortunately you still need

2685
01:53:22,970 --> 01:53:21,600
money to get stuff done so like all

2686
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:22,980
those those questions I'm like well how

2687
01:53:26,450 --> 01:53:24,840
did they go from like hunter-gatherers

2688
01:53:28,189 --> 01:53:26,460
in the deserts to figuring out the

2689
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:28,199
geometry of this building I think the

2690
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,280
answers are out there they're just

2691
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,199
buried under the under the sand and we

2692
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:33,360
just need to get out there and find them

2693
01:53:40,129 --> 01:53:36,900
well don't you feel that the mythology

2694
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:40,139
the folklore of just about every culture

2695
01:53:46,450 --> 01:53:44,159
whether it's uh Asia uh mesoamerica

2696
01:53:50,570 --> 01:53:46,460
Central South America

2697
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:50,580
Australia certainly uh northern eastern

2698
01:53:58,250 --> 01:53:54,480
western Europe all have the same stories

2699
01:53:59,930 --> 01:53:58,260
in the Middle East of hey man they came

2700
01:54:01,090 --> 01:53:59,940
from the heavens and they were teaching

2701
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:01,100
us

2702
01:54:07,550 --> 01:54:04,800
way before everything everybody's got

2703
01:54:10,609 --> 01:54:07,560
the same story right maybe there is

2704
01:54:12,770 --> 01:54:10,619
actually something to this it's been

2705
01:54:15,169 --> 01:54:12,780
repeated over generations and

2706
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:15,179
generations maybe we need to stop and

2707
01:54:20,570 --> 01:54:18,000
consider this because somebody taught

2708
01:54:21,709 --> 01:54:20,580
the Builders of Gobekli Tepe how to

2709
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:21,719
quarry

2710
01:54:28,990 --> 01:54:24,239
somebody taught them how to carve Stone

2711
01:54:33,229 --> 01:54:29,000
somebody taught them 3D relief imagery

2712
01:54:37,490 --> 01:54:33,239
right not carved into stone but car of

2713
01:54:39,649 --> 01:54:37,500
stone yeah that's a crazy concept I'm

2714
01:54:41,870 --> 01:54:39,659
boring with that stuff I think they just

2715
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:41,880
figured it out like they had a lot of

2716
01:54:45,169 --> 01:54:43,679
time like when we look at the time scale

2717
01:54:48,490 --> 01:54:45,179
of Gobekli Tabby right and we look at

2718
01:54:51,290 --> 01:54:48,500
like how long just that area was was

2719
01:54:52,729 --> 01:54:51,300
maintained from the time before they

2720
01:54:54,649 --> 01:54:52,739
were building it in these little tiny

2721
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:54,659
findings that were that we're finding

2722
01:54:59,090 --> 01:54:57,119
now there's thousands of years they had

2723
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:59,100
time to figure out chipping away at the

2724
01:55:03,250 --> 01:55:00,960
blocks and stuff

2725
01:55:08,330 --> 01:55:05,810
I'm also a fan

2726
01:55:10,370 --> 01:55:08,340
um you're a buzz kill you're a buzz kill

2727
01:55:12,530 --> 01:55:10,380
part of that the reason for a part of

2728
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:12,540
that is I am I agree with you on these

2729
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:14,639
stories being everywhere

2730
01:55:18,530 --> 01:55:16,560
um and I think that there's very good

2731
01:55:19,850 --> 01:55:18,540
chance it is because of some older

2732
01:55:22,189 --> 01:55:19,860
civilizations or just the simple

2733
01:55:23,770 --> 01:55:22,199
traveling that the Ancients did you know

2734
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:23,780
they don't have to have a worldwide

2735
01:55:28,189 --> 01:55:25,920
they're they're all visiting each other

2736
01:55:30,109 --> 01:55:28,199
you're right there's also uh Joseph

2737
01:55:32,810 --> 01:55:30,119
Campbell's ideas about how

2738
01:55:33,950 --> 01:55:32,820
these are just like the shapes they're

2739
01:55:34,669 --> 01:55:33,960
they're

2740
01:55:36,890 --> 01:55:34,679
um

2741
01:55:39,770 --> 01:55:36,900
they appeal to everybody there's some

2742
01:55:41,390 --> 01:55:39,780
sort of psychological bent to the way we

2743
01:55:43,669 --> 01:55:41,400
perceive the universe and ourselves as

2744
01:55:46,010 --> 01:55:43,679
people that's Timeless and these stories

2745
01:55:47,450 --> 01:55:46,020
keep repeating themselves

2746
01:55:49,129 --> 01:55:47,460
um and we're still reliving them today

2747
01:55:50,990 --> 01:55:49,139
in our fiction

2748
01:55:52,669 --> 01:55:51,000
um and it doesn't mean to say that there

2749
01:55:54,890 --> 01:55:52,679
wasn't some sort of larger mystery that

2750
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:54,900
happened around that as well

2751
01:55:58,430 --> 01:55:56,639
um but there are so many different ways

2752
01:55:59,570 --> 01:55:58,440
to to look at them and I think it's a

2753
01:56:03,470 --> 01:55:59,580
little bit of this and it's a little bit

2754
01:56:06,050 --> 01:56:03,480
of that well but here's here's here's

2755
01:56:10,669 --> 01:56:06,060
the problem with your argument though

2756
01:56:13,370 --> 01:56:10,679
even though I agree with you but thing I

2757
01:56:15,229 --> 01:56:13,380
I I think was the opposite I think that

2758
01:56:17,149 --> 01:56:15,239
they were taught

2759
01:56:19,370 --> 01:56:17,159
I don't think that they sat around for

2760
01:56:21,470 --> 01:56:19,380
thousands of years thinking this stuff

2761
01:56:23,149 --> 01:56:21,480
up and figuring it out because that got

2762
01:56:26,570 --> 01:56:23,159
you killed

2763
01:56:28,910 --> 01:56:26,580
you couldn't right you could not the

2764
01:56:29,890 --> 01:56:28,920
person that is sitting out there in the

2765
01:56:34,669 --> 01:56:29,900
savannah

2766
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:34,679
contemplating uh Pythagoras right or you

2767
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:37,440
know complicated math or algebra or

2768
01:56:44,209 --> 01:56:41,280
domesticating wheat got eaten you

2769
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,219
couldn't you couldn't you could no you

2770
01:56:49,090 --> 01:56:46,080
you weren't allowed to think like that

2771
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:49,100
you had to do that so yeah

2772
01:56:53,390 --> 01:56:52,320
I I I I I I I like this argument so I'm

2773
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:53,400
going to push back a little bit though

2774
01:57:00,290 --> 01:56:56,639
okay push what happens at night

2775
01:57:02,570 --> 01:57:00,300
you get eaten now you're not out there

2776
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:02,580
um hunting right no but you're in your

2777
01:57:06,890 --> 01:57:04,800
domicile thinking and just figuring

2778
01:57:09,250 --> 01:57:06,900
things out you're sleeping with one eye

2779
01:57:12,050 --> 01:57:09,260
open with the speaker

2780
01:57:15,470 --> 01:57:12,060
that's possible too

2781
01:57:18,250 --> 01:57:15,480
well see but yes now I'm gonna push back

2782
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:18,260
on that okay let's go let's go

2783
01:57:24,589 --> 01:57:21,840
that was but that was the chat if we go

2784
01:57:27,070 --> 01:57:24,599
with conventional thinking in

2785
01:57:31,490 --> 01:57:27,080
anthropology and and dealing with this

2786
01:57:34,250 --> 01:57:31,500
that the conventional thinking is night

2787
01:57:37,070 --> 01:57:34,260
time was the scariest time that's when

2788
01:57:39,950 --> 01:57:37,080
the Beast came out right and the

2789
01:57:40,729 --> 01:57:39,960
Predators came out so surviving the

2790
01:57:43,609 --> 01:57:40,739
night

2791
01:57:44,570 --> 01:57:43,619
was more difficult than surviving the

2792
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:44,580
day

2793
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:47,040
so that was the challenge you had to

2794
01:57:51,530 --> 01:57:48,960
make it through the night that's where a

2795
01:57:55,930 --> 01:57:51,540
lot of this mythology came from when the

2796
01:57:57,950 --> 01:57:55,940
sun rose holy crap we made it

2797
01:58:00,050 --> 01:57:57,960
I think I think it depends on the

2798
01:58:01,850 --> 01:58:00,060
culture that that you're looking at

2799
01:58:03,229 --> 01:58:01,860
um because not everybody was afraid of

2800
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:03,239
the night they understood the night they

2801
01:58:07,669 --> 01:58:05,040
they knew to stay near the fires or in

2802
01:58:08,689 --> 01:58:07,679
their domiciles and stuff or even to use

2803
01:58:09,709 --> 01:58:08,699
the night

2804
01:58:11,209 --> 01:58:09,719
um we we know about like

2805
01:58:13,189 --> 01:58:11,219
hunter-gatherers right now that use

2806
01:58:14,810 --> 01:58:13,199
night and hunt at night

2807
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:14,820
um it's just as dangerous as the daytime

2808
01:58:17,870 --> 01:58:16,320
just differently

2809
01:58:20,930 --> 01:58:17,880
um yeah it depends on what part of the

2810
01:58:22,609 --> 01:58:20,940
world you're in too yeah I still think

2811
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:22,619
that like these communities these

2812
01:58:25,609 --> 01:58:24,239
ancient communities communicate with

2813
01:58:26,810 --> 01:58:25,619
each other like I don't think they stood

2814
01:58:29,510 --> 01:58:26,820
in one place I don't want to sound like

2815
01:58:31,729 --> 01:58:29,520
I'm totally not on board with these

2816
01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:31,739
ideas like I just think it happens in in

2817
01:58:37,010 --> 01:58:34,320
a way that we we don't understand yet

2818
01:58:38,930 --> 01:58:37,020
um and it's kind of easy to connect dots

2819
01:58:42,229 --> 01:58:38,940
and say this is how it happened because

2820
01:58:44,689 --> 01:58:42,239
it makes sense or that narratively as a

2821
01:58:47,209 --> 01:58:44,699
Storyteller it feels right

2822
01:58:48,770 --> 01:58:47,219
um there's so there's so much to learn

2823
01:58:50,810 --> 01:58:48,780
out there and it's so exciting because

2824
01:58:52,189 --> 01:58:50,820
we keep learning these new things like

2825
01:58:54,830 --> 01:58:52,199
finding these Footprints finding

2826
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:54,840
neanderthals making tools seeing Apes

2827
01:58:58,370 --> 01:58:56,400
right now using tools they're

2828
01:59:01,250 --> 01:58:58,380
technically in the stone age according

2829
01:59:03,310 --> 01:59:01,260
to anthropologists yeah if iPhones are

2830
01:59:07,129 --> 01:59:03,320
right around the corner

2831
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:07,139
but but that's such a great point and

2832
01:59:11,470 --> 01:59:09,119
let's let's unpack that for a second

2833
01:59:15,770 --> 01:59:11,480
because if

2834
01:59:17,870 --> 01:59:15,780
if if things aren't taught I mean it's

2835
01:59:21,050 --> 01:59:17,880
just one layer of teaching teaching

2836
01:59:25,790 --> 01:59:21,060
teaching teaching teaching because today

2837
01:59:27,770 --> 01:59:25,800
Michael if you and I if let's say that

2838
01:59:28,870 --> 01:59:27,780
there's a new version of coronavirus

2839
01:59:32,689 --> 01:59:28,880
right

2840
01:59:36,470 --> 01:59:32,699
that kills all of the software engineers

2841
01:59:38,930 --> 01:59:36,480
in the world right and and all of the uh

2842
01:59:40,070 --> 01:59:38,940
double E's Electronics Engineers right

2843
01:59:43,970 --> 01:59:40,080
they all die

2844
01:59:47,870 --> 01:59:43,980
and you and I uh survive and we're on an

2845
01:59:50,810 --> 01:59:47,880
island with all of the resources needed

2846
01:59:53,689 --> 01:59:50,820
to do stuff you and I aren't building an

2847
01:59:56,930 --> 01:59:53,699
iPhone anytime soon you and I are not

2848
02:00:01,129 --> 01:59:56,940
building a computer or a car

2849
02:00:05,030 --> 02:00:01,139
how long would it take for society to

2850
02:00:06,770 --> 02:00:05,040
get back to that point and I would argue

2851
02:00:08,689 --> 02:00:06,780
that it would be a lot longer than the

2852
02:00:10,790 --> 02:00:08,699
last hundred years where we made all of

2853
02:00:13,729 --> 02:00:10,800
these developments it may be thousands

2854
02:00:15,950 --> 02:00:13,739
of years yeah so how did we get to this

2855
02:00:18,589 --> 02:00:15,960
point we weren't thinking this stuff up

2856
02:00:22,310 --> 02:00:18,599
you and I we we we know what an iPhone

2857
02:00:25,729 --> 02:00:22,320
is we've already got it in our head yeah

2858
02:00:27,410 --> 02:00:25,739
that doesn't mean we can build it so so

2859
02:00:29,750 --> 02:00:27,420
that's you understand what I'm saying if

2860
02:00:31,850 --> 02:00:29,760
we put yeah but I I think like so you

2861
02:00:33,169 --> 02:00:31,860
and I would be screwed on our own but if

2862
02:00:35,810 --> 02:00:33,179
you have a community but if you have a

2863
02:00:37,669 --> 02:00:35,820
community of people right a small enough

2864
02:00:39,229 --> 02:00:37,679
community of people that can support

2865
02:00:40,669 --> 02:00:39,239
each other and somebody knows how to do

2866
02:00:43,850 --> 02:00:40,679
this and somebody else knows how to do

2867
02:00:46,450 --> 02:00:43,860
that those Pockets can survive

2868
02:00:49,370 --> 02:00:46,460
um strengthen numbers like I said yeah

2869
02:00:51,830 --> 02:00:49,380
yeah well we we might be able to do bows

2870
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:51,840
and arrows okay we could probably pull I

2871
02:00:54,470 --> 02:00:52,800
wouldn't know how to hunt I wouldn't

2872
02:00:56,750 --> 02:00:54,480
know how to I wouldn't know what parts

2873
02:00:59,209 --> 02:00:56,760
of the animals to eat you know I don't

2874
02:01:02,390 --> 02:00:59,219
we're both screwed we're all three of us

2875
02:01:04,669 --> 02:01:02,400
we have no usable skills yeah we'd be

2876
02:01:07,850 --> 02:01:04,679
part of Darwin's evolution I can tell

2877
02:01:10,729 --> 02:01:07,860
you stories Michael can draw them but

2878
02:01:13,490 --> 02:01:10,739
that's as far as we we our contribution

2879
02:01:14,750 --> 02:01:13,500
to the society goes but let me meet you

2880
02:01:17,030 --> 02:01:14,760
halfway in the middle of like kind of

2881
02:01:21,709 --> 02:01:17,040
what we're talking about like um

2882
02:01:23,930 --> 02:01:21,719
we don't we don't need sort of a a world

2883
02:01:26,209 --> 02:01:23,940
traveling ancient civilization that

2884
02:01:28,790 --> 02:01:26,219
taught everybody everything when you can

2885
02:01:31,910 --> 02:01:28,800
have people who are are traveling from

2886
02:01:33,709 --> 02:01:31,920
India by boat along the the shorelines

2887
02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:33,719
and they're getting into China and

2888
02:01:36,950 --> 02:01:35,520
they're getting into Africa and they're

2889
02:01:38,990 --> 02:01:36,960
learning stuff from each other they're

2890
02:01:41,450 --> 02:01:39,000
the ones teaching each other just as

2891
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:41,460
well as like that could be the ancient

2892
02:01:46,310 --> 02:01:43,199
civilization it's just this sort of like

2893
02:01:47,770 --> 02:01:46,320
like a mushroom that that the way that

2894
02:01:52,070 --> 02:01:47,780
mushrooms connect through these like

2895
02:01:53,990 --> 02:01:52,080
very long lines of of roots and that was

2896
02:01:55,729 --> 02:01:54,000
Humanity reaching out to each other like

2897
02:01:57,109 --> 02:01:55,739
and maybe what we're talking about when

2898
02:01:59,330 --> 02:01:57,119
we're talking about these these larger

2899
02:02:01,609 --> 02:01:59,340
Concepts it's more of a metaphor for the

2900
02:02:04,790 --> 02:02:01,619
way that we all taught each other you

2901
02:02:07,430 --> 02:02:04,800
know from from China to the Middle East

2902
02:02:09,050 --> 02:02:07,440
to Northern Europe getting along over to

2903
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:09,060
the other parts of America and stuff

2904
02:02:14,450 --> 02:02:11,040
like we could have all been talking to

2905
02:02:16,010 --> 02:02:14,460
each other just in a much larger more

2906
02:02:18,649 --> 02:02:16,020
complicated system that we could think

2907
02:02:20,209 --> 02:02:18,659
about that that predates known history

2908
02:02:21,790 --> 02:02:20,219
you know because like I said I think we

2909
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:21,800
were always smart even when we're just

2910
02:02:26,750 --> 02:02:23,520
hunter-gatherers I think we're just as

2911
02:02:28,189 --> 02:02:26,760
smart as we are now and going all the

2912
02:02:31,250 --> 02:02:28,199
way back to the earlier conversation

2913
02:02:35,629 --> 02:02:31,260
that maybe we're all connected

2914
02:02:37,430 --> 02:02:35,639
you know uh somebody has an idea and the

2915
02:02:40,390 --> 02:02:37,440
same idea kind of pops into somebody

2916
02:02:43,250 --> 02:02:40,400
else's uh brain at the same time

2917
02:02:46,129 --> 02:02:43,260
somewhere else right could it could it

2918
02:02:47,330 --> 02:02:46,139
have come from up there it could be well

2919
02:02:49,689 --> 02:02:47,340
there yeah I mean there could be some

2920
02:02:52,910 --> 02:02:49,699
sort of uh you know some sort of psychic

2921
02:02:54,589 --> 02:02:52,920
channeling you see we see how Society

2922
02:02:56,570 --> 02:02:54,599
thinks of the same things at the same

2923
02:02:58,609 --> 02:02:56,580
times I know as a Creator and a writer

2924
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:58,619
there are other creators writers who

2925
02:03:02,870 --> 02:03:00,719
come up with the same ideas as we do

2926
02:03:04,310 --> 02:03:02,880
around the same time periods you bring

2927
02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:04,320
up mice Templar there's another book

2928
02:03:11,149 --> 02:03:06,719
called mouse guard which is great by uh

2929
02:03:12,649 --> 02:03:11,159
David Peterson and he and I created two

2930
02:03:16,070 --> 02:03:12,659
different books of similar themes

2931
02:03:17,930 --> 02:03:16,080
similar ideas at the same time exactly

2932
02:03:18,649 --> 02:03:17,940
the same time um this happens all the

2933
02:03:19,609 --> 02:03:18,659
time

2934
02:03:21,290 --> 02:03:19,619
um and then you see this happen

2935
02:03:23,750 --> 02:03:21,300
physically as well like one of our

2936
02:03:24,950 --> 02:03:23,760
favorite shows it's called the OA uh

2937
02:03:26,450 --> 02:03:24,960
which is about like life after death

2938
02:03:28,370 --> 02:03:26,460
stuff and there's this amazing scene

2939
02:03:30,649 --> 02:03:28,380
where where this guy is talking about

2940
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:30,659
how nobody thought you could run the

2941
02:03:36,350 --> 02:03:34,320
mile unless in a minute our lessons six

2942
02:03:37,910 --> 02:03:36,360
minutes four minutes four minutes four

2943
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:37,920
minutes yeah and like immediately after

2944
02:03:41,450 --> 02:03:39,840
he does somebody else does and somebody

2945
02:03:42,950 --> 02:03:41,460
else does and then it gets down to the

2946
02:03:44,870 --> 02:03:42,960
level where like a strong high schooler

2947
02:03:46,430 --> 02:03:44,880
can do it and stuff

2948
02:03:48,410 --> 02:03:46,440
um so these are other ways that we could

2949
02:03:50,870 --> 02:03:48,420
be communicating and learning from each

2950
02:03:52,669 --> 02:03:50,880
other it gets really fringy and really

2951
02:03:54,350 --> 02:03:52,679
fun but yeah maybe there is some sort of

2952
02:03:55,850 --> 02:03:54,360
psychic connection whereas one person

2953
02:03:57,410 --> 02:03:55,860
creates a bow and arrow in one part of

2954
02:03:58,729 --> 02:03:57,420
the world there's another bow and arrow

2955
02:03:59,870 --> 02:03:58,739
being created somewhere else like isn't

2956
02:04:01,729 --> 02:03:59,880
it kind of weird that everybody has bow

2957
02:04:03,530 --> 02:04:01,739
and arrows you know and then we gave up

2958
02:04:04,850 --> 02:04:03,540
the other thing that the flicking thing

2959
02:04:06,350 --> 02:04:04,860
that yeah I forget what that was called

2960
02:04:07,850 --> 02:04:06,360
the accolad or something like that and

2961
02:04:08,930 --> 02:04:07,860
yes

2962
02:04:10,370 --> 02:04:08,940
um

2963
02:04:12,770 --> 02:04:10,380
sling

2964
02:04:15,790 --> 02:04:12,780
yeah it's everywhere

2965
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:15,800
um you've seen my flame guitar right

2966
02:04:23,089 --> 02:04:19,920
yeah you've seen it so when I thought

2967
02:04:27,530 --> 02:04:23,099
that up back in 85

2968
02:04:30,410 --> 02:04:27,540
85 84 85 uh with my guitar tech we came

2969
02:04:32,810 --> 02:04:30,420
up with the idea we drew it out on a

2970
02:04:35,689 --> 02:04:32,820
thing we came up with the pattern we

2971
02:04:37,550 --> 02:04:35,699
went to Neil Moser he cut the guitar out

2972
02:04:40,609 --> 02:04:37,560
we had it done we took it over to Pat

2973
02:04:42,470 --> 02:04:40,619
Wilkins shop we were all excited and uh

2974
02:04:46,970 --> 02:04:42,480
take it over to Pat Wilkins shop to get

2975
02:04:49,189 --> 02:04:46,980
painted tacos oh a flame

2976
02:04:53,350 --> 02:04:49,199
Steve Vai just dropped one off to get

2977
02:04:57,950 --> 02:04:55,729
yeah yeah I'm sure you've seen this

2978
02:04:59,050 --> 02:04:57,960
happen in music all the time they're at

2979
02:05:04,729 --> 02:04:59,060
the exact

2980
02:05:06,410 --> 02:05:04,739
I mean completely and it was now who who

2981
02:05:08,950 --> 02:05:06,420
thought of it first well the one that

2982
02:05:11,629 --> 02:05:08,960
was more famous

2983
02:05:14,089 --> 02:05:11,639
well we're all taking like cues out of

2984
02:05:15,709 --> 02:05:14,099
out of culture at that that point right

2985
02:05:17,629 --> 02:05:15,719
whether it be with the comics or you

2986
02:05:19,250 --> 02:05:17,639
with the guitar but the Ancients could

2987
02:05:21,709 --> 02:05:19,260
have been taking cues off of nature

2988
02:05:23,510 --> 02:05:21,719
signs from the sky all of these these

2989
02:05:25,850 --> 02:05:23,520
these disasters that show up in all of

2990
02:05:27,530 --> 02:05:25,860
our stories could be teaching lessons

2991
02:05:30,169 --> 02:05:27,540
that we can't really connect to there's

2992
02:05:33,530 --> 02:05:30,179
some subconscious thing that goes floods

2993
02:05:35,209 --> 02:05:33,540
boats floods stronger buildings winds

2994
02:05:37,310 --> 02:05:35,219
stronger building I don't know I'm

2995
02:05:38,810 --> 02:05:37,320
making stuff off my head but like you

2996
02:05:40,370 --> 02:05:38,820
know we're commonly thinking the same

2997
02:05:42,770 --> 02:05:40,380
things on the opposite sides of the

2998
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:42,780
universe or the planet I think that's

2999
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:45,360
just as fascinating as you know the

3000
02:05:49,189 --> 02:05:47,040
varicocher or whoever was with his book

3001
02:05:51,950 --> 02:05:49,199
going around teaching people and stuff

3002
02:05:55,850 --> 02:05:51,960
yeah well but okay but now I'm gonna

3003
02:05:58,490 --> 02:05:55,860
push back this is this is where

3004
02:06:00,770 --> 02:05:58,500
because all of that is just common sense

3005
02:06:02,990 --> 02:06:00,780
to me and you know and I can I can

3006
02:06:05,629 --> 02:06:03,000
rationalize I I you know I'm on board

3007
02:06:10,310 --> 02:06:05,639
except

3008
02:06:16,189 --> 02:06:10,320
when you come up with the vision

3009
02:06:19,129 --> 02:06:16,199
in your head of some dude wearing animal

3010
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:19,139
skins in the middle of the desert and

3011
02:06:24,169 --> 02:06:21,599
his wife is coming up going are you

3012
02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:24,179
gonna go kill something today so you can

3013
02:06:29,870 --> 02:06:27,840
feed the family and he says

3014
02:06:34,669 --> 02:06:29,880
I got this idea about domesticating

3015
02:06:41,689 --> 02:06:38,030
we're going to alter the very DNA of

3016
02:06:44,510 --> 02:06:41,699
wheat so we can grow it and and and and

3017
02:06:48,050 --> 02:06:44,520
make something called bread

3018
02:06:53,089 --> 02:06:50,629
it's too big of a jump

3019
02:06:54,410 --> 02:06:53,099
right I'm gonna push back a really

3020
02:06:57,050 --> 02:06:54,420
boring idea

3021
02:06:58,490 --> 02:06:57,060
so sometimes these these seeds and

3022
02:07:00,229 --> 02:06:58,500
Wheats

3023
02:07:03,709 --> 02:07:00,239
they end up accidentally in the same

3024
02:07:06,050 --> 02:07:03,719
area people will figure out over time to

3025
02:07:07,850 --> 02:07:06,060
do to mix this with that

3026
02:07:09,649 --> 02:07:07,860
like it doesn't need to be a grand

3027
02:07:11,930 --> 02:07:09,659
Revelation or like a moment of like

3028
02:07:13,729 --> 02:07:11,940
clarity as much as an accident the same

3029
02:07:15,290 --> 02:07:13,739
way we learned what not to eat we learn

3030
02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:15,300
not to eat these mushrooms but eat those

3031
02:07:18,470 --> 02:07:17,040
mushrooms we learned not to eat this

3032
02:07:19,970 --> 02:07:18,480
part of the animal because it's where it

3033
02:07:21,109 --> 02:07:19,980
processes all this poisons and makes you

3034
02:07:23,089 --> 02:07:21,119
sick

3035
02:07:24,350 --> 02:07:23,099
um so the same thing with with the with

3036
02:07:27,050 --> 02:07:24,360
the wheat and stuff and that doesn't

3037
02:07:29,089 --> 02:07:27,060
take away the mystery of like how do we

3038
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:29,099
come up with with these things

3039
02:07:33,770 --> 02:07:31,199
um it enriches it I think and I think

3040
02:07:36,109 --> 02:07:33,780
those ideas also have like like sort of

3041
02:07:37,970 --> 02:07:36,119
universal teachers and stuff I think

3042
02:07:40,250 --> 02:07:37,980
those also feed into that because that's

3043
02:07:42,169 --> 02:07:40,260
a psychological need that we have like

3044
02:07:44,810 --> 02:07:42,179
and I mean in a positive way like it

3045
02:07:46,310 --> 02:07:44,820
feeds our minds and our souls to feel

3046
02:07:48,169 --> 02:07:46,320
like well it wasn't just an accident

3047
02:07:50,570 --> 02:07:48,179
that came together like the people who

3048
02:07:52,729 --> 02:07:50,580
actually put those together they they

3049
02:07:54,229 --> 02:07:52,739
also needed to have that that heavier

3050
02:07:56,570 --> 02:07:54,239
spiritual feeling for it which is why

3051
02:07:59,390 --> 02:07:56,580
you you venerate like wheat and alcohol

3052
02:08:01,430 --> 02:07:59,400
and Foods throughout different cultures

3053
02:08:03,649 --> 02:08:01,440
and stuff because it is special and it

3054
02:08:06,350 --> 02:08:03,659
does feel like a revelation but what's

3055
02:08:09,290 --> 02:08:06,360
to say that there's a difference between

3056
02:08:11,030 --> 02:08:09,300
um a spiritual Revelation and

3057
02:08:12,830 --> 02:08:11,040
um a very practical one if if the end

3058
02:08:15,550 --> 02:08:12,840
result is the same thing you have this

3059
02:08:18,649 --> 02:08:15,560
miracle bread or alcohol

3060
02:08:21,950 --> 02:08:18,659
oh go ahead Taco I was gonna say like I

3061
02:08:23,330 --> 02:08:21,960
kind of I'm kind of in between

3062
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:23,340
the two of you

3063
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:25,679
um because if you know you think about

3064
02:08:30,470 --> 02:08:29,280
like um people who have had near-death

3065
02:08:32,510 --> 02:08:30,480
experiences

3066
02:08:33,290 --> 02:08:32,520
will have

3067
02:08:36,970 --> 02:08:33,300
um

3068
02:08:39,950 --> 02:08:36,980
you know we'll come back with like uh uh

3069
02:08:42,470 --> 02:08:39,960
mathematics that they didn't know

3070
02:08:44,450 --> 02:08:42,480
anything about or a language they've

3071
02:08:46,850 --> 02:08:44,460
never spoken they're completely fluent

3072
02:08:49,609 --> 02:08:46,860
in all of these things like just really

3073
02:08:51,649 --> 02:08:49,619
strange things or like um we I mean we

3074
02:08:54,169 --> 02:08:51,659
now know that like ancient Egypt would

3075
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:54,179
uh they will take certain people and

3076
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:57,119
induce near-death experiences in order

3077
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:00,960
to like gain knowledge so that's these

3078
02:09:05,930 --> 02:09:03,360
people have like knowledge that like

3079
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:05,940
they could like otherwise couldn't have

3080
02:09:09,589 --> 02:09:06,960
known

3081
02:09:13,490 --> 02:09:09,599
so where did that come from

3082
02:09:16,070 --> 02:09:13,500
yeah well we see yes and and I think

3083
02:09:18,530 --> 02:09:16,080
that matches up see you should listen to

3084
02:09:21,290 --> 02:09:18,540
talking more Michael

3085
02:09:28,490 --> 02:09:25,970
but but this is why these giant leaps

3086
02:09:30,290 --> 02:09:28,500
that happen like the domestication of

3087
02:09:31,970 --> 02:09:30,300
wheat we are talking about a deep

3088
02:09:35,149 --> 02:09:31,980
scientific process

3089
02:09:37,129 --> 02:09:35,159
right and and if we look at the time

3090
02:09:41,570 --> 02:09:37,139
stamp on this it shouldn't have happened

3091
02:09:44,689 --> 02:09:41,580
with when it happened or the wheel the

3092
02:09:46,490 --> 02:09:44,699
wheel that's a crazy that's a big leap

3093
02:09:49,609 --> 02:09:46,500
right and

3094
02:09:51,770 --> 02:09:49,619
um to see or did it like Taki said right

3095
02:09:53,629 --> 02:09:51,780
maybe it was a vision somebody got

3096
02:09:55,250 --> 02:09:53,639
knocked in the head maybe it was a

3097
02:09:58,310 --> 02:09:55,260
near-death experience and you come out

3098
02:09:59,810 --> 02:09:58,320
of that with something there that wasn't

3099
02:10:02,570 --> 02:09:59,820
supposed to be there and it wasn't there

3100
02:10:06,770 --> 02:10:02,580
before did you ever see um the movie

3101
02:10:09,229 --> 02:10:06,780
Quest for Fire oh yeah okay

3102
02:10:14,209 --> 02:10:09,239
how tremendous

3103
02:10:16,689 --> 02:10:14,219
concept where they had that little flame

3104
02:10:20,089 --> 02:10:16,699
right they they worshiped that little

3105
02:10:21,129 --> 02:10:20,099
box where they always kept fire burning

3106
02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:21,139
in that

3107
02:10:28,550 --> 02:10:25,440
you are not allowed to let that go out

3108
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:28,560
because restarting fire

3109
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:31,440
was that was a game changer right we all

3110
02:10:37,970 --> 02:10:35,760
die if that thing right and and it turns

3111
02:10:40,669 --> 02:10:37,980
out it does and now they need to go

3112
02:10:42,410 --> 02:10:40,679
that's the movie right Quest for Fire

3113
02:10:45,950 --> 02:10:42,420
they need to read light you remember

3114
02:10:48,410 --> 02:10:45,960
that and going through seasons and

3115
02:10:51,470 --> 02:10:48,420
winter and everything that went through

3116
02:10:53,510 --> 02:10:51,480
to try to and then they come across uh

3117
02:10:57,109 --> 02:10:53,520
another civilization a thousand miles

3118
02:10:59,270 --> 02:10:57,119
away or whatever it was 50 miles and and

3119
02:11:01,850 --> 02:10:59,280
they're they got Bic lighters they're

3120
02:11:03,589 --> 02:11:01,860
just over there like you remember that

3121
02:11:06,649 --> 02:11:03,599
they were just lighting fire all day

3122
02:11:09,490 --> 02:11:06,659
remember that the first time that you

3123
02:11:14,209 --> 02:11:09,500
know oh no fire is easy

3124
02:11:17,450 --> 02:11:14,219
and and and and the look on his face

3125
02:11:21,649 --> 02:11:17,460
you remember that right

3126
02:11:25,129 --> 02:11:21,659
that that's exactly it uh where certain

3127
02:11:27,589 --> 02:11:25,139
cultures uh didn't and other cultures

3128
02:11:29,870 --> 02:11:27,599
had the vision and and were one step

3129
02:11:32,030 --> 02:11:29,880
ahead and the ones that were one step

3130
02:11:35,229 --> 02:11:32,040
ahead

3131
02:11:37,609 --> 02:11:35,239
could light five that's the Illuminati

3132
02:11:39,770 --> 02:11:37,619
so what do you think people will say

3133
02:11:41,209 --> 02:11:39,780
about us looking back

3134
02:11:44,030 --> 02:11:41,219
um and say

3135
02:11:47,390 --> 02:11:44,040
ago so in 18

3136
02:11:50,810 --> 02:11:47,400
in 1890 they're riding around in horse

3137
02:11:53,750 --> 02:11:50,820
and Buggies yes and by 1950s 50 years

3138
02:11:55,430 --> 02:11:53,760
later they have an atomic bomb

3139
02:11:59,450 --> 02:11:55,440
they couldn't have possibly thought of

3140
02:12:02,629 --> 02:11:59,460
this themselves they must have had

3141
02:12:04,490 --> 02:12:02,639
some Supernatural contact to do that and

3142
02:12:06,649 --> 02:12:04,500
and what would we say to them like how

3143
02:12:08,030 --> 02:12:06,659
would we explain how we went from horse

3144
02:12:10,370 --> 02:12:08,040
and Buggies and barely having

3145
02:12:13,550 --> 02:12:10,380
electricity to controlling the power of

3146
02:12:16,189 --> 02:12:13,560
the Sun in 50 years a flying saucer

3147
02:12:17,689 --> 02:12:16,199
crashed some people claim that I mean

3148
02:12:20,689 --> 02:12:17,699
they're they're you know I don't have

3149
02:12:23,709 --> 02:12:20,699
any issues with that yeah because if if

3150
02:12:26,990 --> 02:12:23,719
if we look yeah

3151
02:12:31,510 --> 02:12:27,000
it's like the greatest Point ever

3152
02:12:33,609 --> 02:12:31,520
if you consider in 1900

3153
02:12:38,589 --> 02:12:33,619
gas lamps

3154
02:12:40,970 --> 02:12:38,599
gas street lights horse and Buggies

3155
02:12:43,570 --> 02:12:40,980
no cars

3156
02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:43,580
no planes

3157
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:48,000
to 60 years later

3158
02:13:02,810 --> 02:12:58,790
69 years later we're on the moon yeah

3159
02:13:06,830 --> 02:13:02,820
nine years Michael yeah 69 that that's a

3160
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:06,840
historical fact that's how it's that

3161
02:13:14,270 --> 02:13:10,079
it's it's it's nuts so what do we do how

3162
02:13:17,050 --> 02:13:14,280
do how do we actually unpack those kind

3163
02:13:20,629 --> 02:13:17,060
of technical leaps that were literally

3164
02:13:24,970 --> 02:13:20,639
leapfrogging each other to go from the

3165
02:13:28,510 --> 02:13:24,980
Wright brothers in 1903 Henry Ford 1904

3166
02:13:32,930 --> 02:13:28,520
right okay this is

3167
02:13:34,490 --> 02:13:32,940
and then suddenly jet aircraft and

3168
02:13:42,830 --> 02:13:34,500
atomic bombs

3169
02:13:46,850 --> 02:13:45,109
from my point about like you know some

3170
02:13:48,770 --> 02:13:46,860
of the earlier stuff with with bread and

3171
02:13:50,750 --> 02:13:48,780
beer and you know what we can eat and

3172
02:13:53,390 --> 02:13:50,760
what we don't what we can eat you know I

3173
02:13:55,069 --> 02:13:53,400
think those people in the past if you if

3174
02:13:57,169 --> 02:13:55,079
you set them down like if we did some

3175
02:13:58,609 --> 02:13:57,179
time traveling stuff right we set them

3176
02:14:00,649 --> 02:13:58,619
down with like modern stuff they'd

3177
02:14:02,629 --> 02:14:00,659
figure it out just as quick because like

3178
02:14:04,010 --> 02:14:02,639
as soon as you don't have clothes on and

3179
02:14:06,410 --> 02:14:04,020
you're out there running around naked

3180
02:14:08,569 --> 02:14:06,420
and nature like you have to figure stuff

3181
02:14:10,129 --> 02:14:08,579
out really really quick

3182
02:14:11,569 --> 02:14:10,139
um so I just I think everybody in the

3183
02:14:14,209 --> 02:14:11,579
past was was

3184
02:14:16,850 --> 02:14:14,219
just as smart as we are

3185
02:14:18,410 --> 02:14:16,860
um and I don't mean that to take mystery

3186
02:14:20,209 --> 02:14:18,420
out of stuff at all like I think it

3187
02:14:21,770 --> 02:14:20,219
deepens the mystery it deepens the

3188
02:14:23,870 --> 02:14:21,780
mystery because so much knowledge is

3189
02:14:26,149 --> 02:14:23,880
lost you know we had civilizations like

3190
02:14:28,430 --> 02:14:26,159
rise and fall and the things that that

3191
02:14:30,410 --> 02:14:28,440
we we lost during those times like right

3192
02:14:31,790 --> 02:14:30,420
now I'm working on a book um that takes

3193
02:14:34,910 --> 02:14:31,800
place during a medieval period starting

3194
02:14:36,830 --> 02:14:34,920
to play and there's like one guy who had

3195
02:14:38,270 --> 02:14:36,840
figured out

3196
02:14:40,250 --> 02:14:38,280
um and they have it in writing they

3197
02:14:43,129 --> 02:14:40,260
figure it out like how to fight plague

3198
02:14:44,990 --> 02:14:43,139
and like how to basically cure it

3199
02:14:46,850 --> 02:14:45,000
um and I I'm horrible with memory and

3200
02:14:48,830 --> 02:14:46,860
[\h__\h] so I don't pardon me um so I don't

3201
02:14:50,629 --> 02:14:48,840
have that information right now but

3202
02:14:52,970 --> 02:14:50,639
basically but because there there wasn't

3203
02:14:54,229 --> 02:14:52,980
like you know um mass production there

3204
02:14:55,729 --> 02:14:54,239
wasn't a way from really to get the

3205
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:55,739
information out he just did this thing

3206
02:15:00,229 --> 02:14:57,840
for himself and his town and they were

3207
02:15:03,050 --> 02:15:00,239
okay and everybody else died

3208
02:15:05,149 --> 02:15:03,060
um your intelligence isn't always stuck

3209
02:15:07,069 --> 02:15:05,159
in the the time period that that we

3210
02:15:10,930 --> 02:15:07,079
observe it in if that makes any sense

3211
02:15:15,229 --> 02:15:10,940
well it's because we do have amnesia

3212
02:15:17,510 --> 02:15:15,239
we we forget really quickly

3213
02:15:19,069 --> 02:15:17,520
um the the point that Taki made earlier

3214
02:15:21,950 --> 02:15:19,079
in the show

3215
02:15:25,310 --> 02:15:21,960
um and and yourself too but

3216
02:15:27,649 --> 02:15:25,320
um obviously they knew how to build the

3217
02:15:31,129 --> 02:15:27,659
Great Pyramid obviously they did because

3218
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:31,139
they built a lot of them yeah and and we

3219
02:15:36,770 --> 02:15:33,599
don't under we have amnesia we have

3220
02:15:38,810 --> 02:15:36,780
completely forgotten when you go to

3221
02:15:41,450 --> 02:15:38,820
um and I I bring this up a lot when you

3222
02:15:44,569 --> 02:15:41,460
go to Aswan in the Quarry right it's 500

3223
02:15:47,450 --> 02:15:44,579
miles south of of Cairo you go to Aswan

3224
02:15:50,689 --> 02:15:47,460
and you look at the unfinished Obelisk

3225
02:15:53,689 --> 02:15:50,699
that is there you know 2500 tons and

3226
02:15:58,250 --> 02:15:53,699
it's 175 feet long

3227
02:15:59,109 --> 02:15:58,260
red granite it's carved right and it's

3228
02:16:03,169 --> 02:15:59,119
there

3229
02:16:06,830 --> 02:16:03,179
obviously they had plans of getting that

3230
02:16:08,629 --> 02:16:06,840
up and out of that hole yeah for all my

3231
02:16:10,910 --> 02:16:08,639
attempts like common sense I can't even

3232
02:16:13,129 --> 02:16:10,920
begin to explain something like that you

3233
02:16:15,410 --> 02:16:13,139
can't you know that you know there are

3234
02:16:17,689 --> 02:16:15,420
certain things that like

3235
02:16:21,310 --> 02:16:17,699
um yeah the best I can do is chalk it up

3236
02:16:28,370 --> 02:16:24,709
the best Engineers the biggest companies

3237
02:16:30,830 --> 02:16:28,380
get Bechtel in there right okay we need

3238
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:30,840
to get that out

3239
02:16:35,810 --> 02:16:32,880
why some of these temples were further

3240
02:16:37,549 --> 02:16:35,820
oh like like I get that I supposedly

3241
02:16:39,410 --> 02:16:37,559
there are these ideas about using barges

3242
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:39,420
and I don't know about displacement for

3243
02:16:42,889 --> 02:16:41,760
100 ton thing then but let's forget

3244
02:16:44,750 --> 02:16:42,899
about that part but some of these

3245
02:16:47,270 --> 02:16:44,760
temples are further out in in land right

3246
02:16:49,549 --> 02:16:47,280
that they they also had huge

3247
02:16:51,230 --> 02:16:49,559
megalithic size stuff that they have to

3248
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:51,240
get out there and I know

3249
02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:53,120
there are all these theories but I mean

3250
02:16:59,150 --> 02:16:55,920
dragging something across the the land

3251
02:17:01,009 --> 02:16:59,160
is is one thing placing it seems like a

3252
02:17:03,709 --> 02:17:01,019
whole other you know and then again like

3253
02:17:05,750 --> 02:17:03,719
I'm not I'm not calling on anything you

3254
02:17:07,310 --> 02:17:05,760
know crazy crystals were used to lift

3255
02:17:09,290 --> 02:17:07,320
stuff and whatnot but

3256
02:17:11,990 --> 02:17:09,300
it's it's definitely I mean it's it's

3257
02:17:16,250 --> 02:17:12,000
super fascinating that we have you eaten

3258
02:17:19,070 --> 02:17:16,260
red mice Templar right but but see

3259
02:17:23,570 --> 02:17:19,080
here's but here's the point though

3260
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:23,580
um and when you go to some place like uh

3261
02:17:28,009 --> 02:17:25,679
oh okay geese is right on the Nile right

3262
02:17:29,690 --> 02:17:28,019
Ed food's right on the Nile combo is

3263
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:29,700
right out of the Nile carnax right on

3264
02:17:35,810 --> 02:17:32,399
the Nile Luxor is right on the Nile so

3265
02:17:37,969 --> 02:17:35,820
you can kind of understand River

3266
02:17:40,009 --> 02:17:37,979
Transportation and like you said

3267
02:17:42,530 --> 02:17:40,019
displacement okay whatever but at least

3268
02:17:46,429 --> 02:17:42,540
it's on the Nile but when you drive to

3269
02:17:48,469 --> 02:17:46,439
abados you drive to the sure how far

3270
02:17:50,690 --> 02:17:48,479
from the end of this place a man I'm

3271
02:17:53,990 --> 02:17:50,700
telling you you fall asleep on the bus

3272
02:17:57,070 --> 02:17:54,000
it's that far right okay all right

3273
02:18:00,770 --> 02:17:57,080
you're driving I mean you are driving

3274
02:18:03,950 --> 02:18:00,780
and to get and these temples when you

3275
02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:03,960
roll up on these spots in the middle of

3276
02:18:09,290 --> 02:18:05,760
the day we're talking about the Sahara

3277
02:18:13,370 --> 02:18:09,300
man sand dunes right

3278
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:13,380
um uh I I can't uh

3279
02:18:20,349 --> 02:18:17,760
um to to to wrap your head around and

3280
02:18:24,830 --> 02:18:20,359
I've I'm trying to find the words for it

3281
02:18:26,750 --> 02:18:24,840
you look around and you see nothing but

3282
02:18:28,310 --> 02:18:26,760
sand

3283
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:28,320
right

3284
02:18:34,330 --> 02:18:31,439
it's nothing but and you're like and

3285
02:18:36,190 --> 02:18:34,340
you're at this Majestic ginormous

3286
02:18:40,030 --> 02:18:36,200
beautiful

3287
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:40,040
magnificent aesthetically correct

3288
02:18:46,849 --> 02:18:43,200
spot how did this happen

3289
02:18:49,370 --> 02:18:46,859
I mean here I mean it's it's it's nuts

3290
02:18:52,009 --> 02:18:49,380
and there's not just one there are

3291
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,019
hundreds of them yeah periods hundreds

3292
02:18:57,730 --> 02:18:54,240
they're everywhere yeah I have no smart

3293
02:19:04,490 --> 02:19:00,770
it's like you're waiting for Peter

3294
02:19:06,530 --> 02:19:04,500
O'Toole to come up on a camel I mean

3295
02:19:08,509 --> 02:19:06,540
you're you're that far out

3296
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:08,519
um in the middle of nowhere

3297
02:19:12,709 --> 02:19:09,840
um some of the other sites that are

3298
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:12,719
right on the Nile okay

3299
02:19:16,009 --> 02:19:14,639
um and that's here's here's the other

3300
02:19:18,169 --> 02:19:16,019
point though

3301
02:19:20,209 --> 02:19:18,179
um going back to what you just said when

3302
02:19:23,389 --> 02:19:20,219
we talk about displacement

3303
02:19:26,450 --> 02:19:23,399
okay well we can get our head around

3304
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:26,460
building a barge today that's what we do

3305
02:19:34,669 --> 02:19:31,679
right we're talking about 3000 BC if we

3306
02:19:37,730 --> 02:19:34,679
go with their 5 000 years ago if we go

3307
02:19:40,250 --> 02:19:37,740
with the the the the egyptologist

3308
02:19:43,549 --> 02:19:40,260
version of this remember

3309
02:19:45,610 --> 02:19:43,559
the bent pyramid the the step pyramid

3310
02:19:51,349 --> 02:19:45,620
the Great Pyramid

3311
02:19:53,450 --> 02:19:51,359
uh Khufu cafre menkare Giza all of that

3312
02:19:55,730 --> 02:19:53,460
stuff was built at the same time within

3313
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:55,740
a hundred years of each other that's it

3314
02:20:01,790 --> 02:19:58,800
all of those pyramids all of these huge

3315
02:20:05,810 --> 02:20:01,800
massive that was at the far end of the

3316
02:20:08,270 --> 02:20:05,820
time scale that was in that 2000 uh you

3317
02:20:12,889 --> 02:20:08,280
know at year zero two thousand years ago

3318
02:20:15,610 --> 02:20:12,899
no those were built first yeah right you

3319
02:20:19,310 --> 02:20:15,620
understand what I'm saying sure

3320
02:20:21,590 --> 02:20:19,320
first yeah they didn't lead up to the

3321
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:21,600
technology and build the Great Pyramid

3322
02:20:27,310 --> 02:20:24,479
2000 years later yeah it gets smaller as

3323
02:20:29,710 --> 02:20:27,320
time it was first

3324
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:29,720
mind-blowing man it's it's

3325
02:20:34,849 --> 02:20:32,160
the gift that doesn't stop giving the

3326
02:20:38,570 --> 02:20:34,859
mystery of Egypt is just it's insane

3327
02:20:42,050 --> 02:20:40,309
why that

3328
02:20:44,750 --> 02:20:42,060
far out

3329
02:20:47,630 --> 02:20:44,760
and that many and

3330
02:20:49,790 --> 02:20:47,640
literally like why we can't figure out

3331
02:20:54,469 --> 02:20:49,800
how how they did it in the first place

3332
02:20:58,030 --> 02:20:54,479
but what we kind of theorize is insane

3333
02:20:58,040 --> 02:21:06,290
created so many of them you're like and

3334
02:21:11,090 --> 02:21:08,990
so I read the other day talk about

3335
02:21:13,190 --> 02:21:11,100
another mind Bender

3336
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:13,200
I read this the other day

3337
02:21:20,030 --> 02:21:17,520
they have found the earliest evidence

3338
02:21:22,610 --> 02:21:20,040
of riding horses

3339
02:21:25,130 --> 02:21:22,620
that's right and I I don't I don't agree

3340
02:21:26,809 --> 02:21:25,140
with the with the things I have a bad

3341
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:26,819
gut feeling that's just not right

3342
02:21:30,590 --> 02:21:29,040
because it was five thousand years five

3343
02:21:34,010 --> 02:21:30,600
thousand years it doesn't seem like

3344
02:21:35,929 --> 02:21:34,020
enough right no no no no no no no no I

3345
02:21:40,130 --> 02:21:35,939
mean we figured it out before that I had

3346
02:21:41,510 --> 02:21:40,140
no proof at all but it seems like

3347
02:21:43,849 --> 02:21:41,520
people would have figured out how to

3348
02:21:47,210 --> 02:21:43,859
ride horses much

3349
02:21:50,030 --> 02:21:47,220
earlier than that do you remember uh the

3350
02:21:52,730 --> 02:21:50,040
the horses in the last cow caves

3351
02:21:55,070 --> 02:21:52,740
right are you telling me that 50 000

3352
02:21:58,190 --> 02:21:55,080
years ago they were painting them but

3353
02:22:00,410 --> 02:21:58,200
not writing them that that those people

3354
02:22:02,510 --> 02:22:00,420
back then go hey man uh

3355
02:22:04,130 --> 02:22:02,520
because they're they're smarter than we

3356
02:22:05,870 --> 02:22:04,140
give them credit for I think and smart

3357
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:05,880
as us they would have figured out that

3358
02:22:09,710 --> 02:22:07,680
they could use these animals and what

3359
02:22:12,650 --> 02:22:09,720
was the evidence that the

3360
02:22:16,790 --> 02:22:12,660
bone structure the change in the anatomy

3361
02:22:19,070 --> 02:22:16,800
in in the crotches of humans

3362
02:22:21,950 --> 02:22:19,080
yeah but they'll be just those humans

3363
02:22:24,530 --> 02:22:21,960
that they found right right like and

3364
02:22:27,530 --> 02:22:24,540
yeah how many of

3365
02:22:31,250 --> 02:22:27,540
humans that they they studied you know

3366
02:22:33,770 --> 02:22:31,260
but isn't that isn't that isn't that a

3367
02:22:38,030 --> 02:22:33,780
mind Bender yeah it's something that

3368
02:22:41,090 --> 02:22:38,040
just doesn't quite make sense that

3369
02:22:43,429 --> 02:22:41,100
um uh now the introduction of horses

3370
02:22:47,710 --> 02:22:43,439
because there were no horses in Egypt

3371
02:22:52,010 --> 02:22:49,969
or you know and you go to different

3372
02:22:54,349 --> 02:22:52,020
places

3373
02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:54,359
um uh around the world horses weren't

3374
02:22:59,870 --> 02:22:56,240
everywhere

3375
02:23:03,550 --> 02:22:59,880
right they're like a basically the Asian

3376
02:23:08,809 --> 02:23:06,110
so that could be wrong

3377
02:23:11,210 --> 02:23:08,819
so okay well hold on there's this new

3378
02:23:13,610 --> 02:23:11,220
thing Michael it's going to be huge it's

3379
02:23:17,450 --> 02:23:13,620
called it's called Google yeah I know

3380
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:17,460
it's ah it's gonna be full of lies

3381
02:23:22,190 --> 02:23:19,520
um where

3382
02:23:24,650 --> 02:23:22,200
are horses

3383
02:23:28,750 --> 02:23:24,660
native

3384
02:23:34,190 --> 02:23:31,630
Eurasia

3385
02:23:37,610 --> 02:23:34,200
Caspian steps

3386
02:23:41,690 --> 02:23:37,620
there you go now look look up and see

3387
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:41,700
why there are no pigeons in forests why

3388
02:23:51,530 --> 02:23:43,920
are they only in the city

3389
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:54,889
so and now I and so I remember hearing

3390
02:23:59,929 --> 02:23:56,160
this

3391
02:24:00,830 --> 02:23:59,939
um and so so I did a little jump into

3392
02:24:07,490 --> 02:24:00,840
this

3393
02:24:08,690 --> 02:24:07,500
was the Spanish that brought horses to

3394
02:24:11,950 --> 02:24:08,700
North America

3395
02:24:13,910 --> 02:24:11,960
yeah so you mean

3396
02:24:16,130 --> 02:24:13,920
ships because you I don't even know how

3397
02:24:19,429 --> 02:24:16,140
they would have so there were no voices

3398
02:24:23,450 --> 02:24:19,439
in North America so before that the

3399
02:24:26,210 --> 02:24:23,460
native tribes here were walking

3400
02:24:26,990 --> 02:24:26,220
yeah is that right as far as we know so

3401
02:24:29,530 --> 02:24:27,000
far

3402
02:24:32,210 --> 02:24:29,540
until and so we find more

3403
02:24:35,210 --> 02:24:32,220
I I'm serious it was just one of those

3404
02:24:38,030 --> 02:24:35,220
things where I've heard this over the

3405
02:24:39,889 --> 02:24:38,040
years but it didn't quite soak in until

3406
02:24:41,750 --> 02:24:39,899
I read this press release the other day

3407
02:24:43,730 --> 02:24:41,760
that we've only been riding horses for

3408
02:24:46,849 --> 02:24:43,740
five thousand years I call BS on that

3409
02:24:48,590 --> 02:24:46,859
I'm not yeah I also think in that area

3410
02:24:50,270 --> 02:24:48,600
on the steps there are there other

3411
02:24:55,130 --> 02:24:50,280
animals that

3412
02:24:58,150 --> 02:24:55,140
people wrote on oh license cows sure

3413
02:25:07,730 --> 02:25:03,770
goats I don't know English emus turkeys

3414
02:25:10,070 --> 02:25:07,740
um ostriches yeah I mean so it you

3415
02:25:11,090 --> 02:25:10,080
didn't need a force I mean I think

3416
02:25:13,849 --> 02:25:11,100
people would

3417
02:25:16,250 --> 02:25:13,859
throw them whatever was strong enough to

3418
02:25:20,870 --> 02:25:16,260
carry them but I was just blown away by

3419
02:25:23,389 --> 02:25:20,880
that I I it just it seems to me that you

3420
02:25:25,490 --> 02:25:23,399
know when we started domesticating cats

3421
02:25:28,010 --> 02:25:25,500
and dogs right that was a long time ago

3422
02:25:32,270 --> 02:25:28,020
man's best friend right

3423
02:25:34,070 --> 02:25:32,280
um it seemed it would seem logical that

3424
02:25:36,410 --> 02:25:34,080
we've been riding horses as long as

3425
02:25:38,090 --> 02:25:36,420
we've been walking again I think we just

3426
02:25:40,490 --> 02:25:38,100
if we wait long enough there's going to

3427
02:25:42,530 --> 02:25:40,500
be new evidence showing that there were

3428
02:25:44,090 --> 02:25:42,540
people using horses much earlier than

3429
02:25:46,309 --> 02:25:44,100
that you know

3430
02:25:48,370 --> 02:25:46,319
um it's just hard to find things

3431
02:25:51,050 --> 02:25:48,380
things are all buried right

3432
02:25:53,389 --> 02:25:51,060
wouldn't that have been great on the

3433
02:25:53,850 --> 02:25:53,399
last cow caves right a human on the back

3434
02:25:58,730 --> 02:25:53,860
of a horse

3435
02:26:00,830 --> 02:25:58,740
[Laughter]

3436
02:26:03,349 --> 02:26:00,840
thing's over a bit hey you guys thank

3437
02:26:05,750 --> 02:26:03,359
you for doing overtime and and hanging

3438
02:26:08,210 --> 02:26:05,760
out okay so uh Before I Let You Go and

3439
02:26:09,290 --> 02:26:08,220
say good night the next time they're

3440
02:26:11,870 --> 02:26:09,300
going to be on the show we're going to

3441
02:26:13,849 --> 02:26:11,880
be doing it live here from the bunker by

3442
02:26:16,370 --> 02:26:13,859
the way uh what's up next what are you

3443
02:26:18,170 --> 02:26:16,380
guys working on

3444
02:26:21,010 --> 02:26:18,180
um well project or blue book is that

3445
02:26:24,110 --> 02:26:21,020
right now through Dark Horse Comics

3446
02:26:25,730 --> 02:26:24,120
where can everybody get their own go to

3447
02:26:27,230 --> 02:26:25,740
your local comic book store look it up

3448
02:26:28,969 --> 02:26:27,240
online

3449
02:26:30,889 --> 02:26:28,979
um or if you just look up uh comic book

3450
02:26:33,410 --> 02:26:30,899
stores online a lot of them will do mail

3451
02:26:34,730 --> 02:26:33,420
mailing as well um Dark Horse Comics

3452
02:26:36,590 --> 02:26:34,740
will eventually put out a collection

3453
02:26:38,150 --> 02:26:36,600
which will have everything I think the

3454
02:26:40,010 --> 02:26:38,160
first four issues are about Betty and

3455
02:26:42,410 --> 02:26:40,020
Barney Hill

3456
02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:42,420
um that'll be collected into a trade

3457
02:26:46,969 --> 02:26:44,399
paperback yeah

3458
02:26:48,770 --> 02:26:46,979
and that should be available uh not just

3459
02:26:50,809 --> 02:26:48,780
through comic shops but in you know

3460
02:26:52,309 --> 02:26:50,819
bookstores too yeah yeah the collection

3461
02:26:53,929 --> 02:26:52,319
will be easier for people to find right

3462
02:26:56,330 --> 02:26:53,939
now just look through your local comic

3463
02:26:59,030 --> 02:26:56,340
book store the next thing we have coming

3464
02:27:00,290 --> 02:26:59,040
out is with uh our pal Brian Bendis

3465
02:27:02,330 --> 02:27:00,300
um that's our book

3466
02:27:04,490 --> 02:27:02,340
um United States of Murder Inc or just

3467
02:27:06,830 --> 02:27:04,500
Murder Inc as we're calling it

3468
02:27:08,690 --> 02:27:06,840
um where uh the mob takes on the Vatican

3469
02:27:10,910 --> 02:27:08,700
so it gets pretty interesting Takis

3470
02:27:13,070 --> 02:27:10,920
coloring on that so it's all you know

3471
02:27:15,530 --> 02:27:13,080
Brian and I are like brothers and Taki

3472
02:27:17,389 --> 02:27:15,540
and I married uh so it's like this great

3473
02:27:18,710 --> 02:27:17,399
little family thing that's coming out in

3474
02:27:20,210 --> 02:27:18,720
May

3475
02:27:21,349 --> 02:27:20,220
um and then September we'll be back

3476
02:27:23,270 --> 02:27:21,359
around for we'll talk about project

3477
02:27:25,190 --> 02:27:23,280
Monarch the crazy conspiracy book I I

3478
02:27:27,889 --> 02:27:25,200
can't wait I can't wait for that it must

3479
02:27:30,410 --> 02:27:27,899
be so much fun to not only work with a

3480
02:27:32,510 --> 02:27:30,420
guy like you know bandis you know or it

3481
02:27:33,670 --> 02:27:32,520
seems like anybody named Brian that's a

3482
02:27:37,190 --> 02:27:33,680
comic book

3483
02:27:40,370 --> 02:27:37,200
is really good but to just be able to

3484
02:27:43,010 --> 02:27:40,380
just let your mind go right it is it is

3485
02:27:44,330 --> 02:27:43,020
and I owe a lot to this community you

3486
02:27:45,830 --> 02:27:44,340
know like for as much as I might sound

3487
02:27:48,349 --> 02:27:45,840
sometimes there's a fence sitter I'm

3488
02:27:50,270 --> 02:27:48,359
looking for a common sense explanation I

3489
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:50,280
love and respect all of this you know

3490
02:27:54,349 --> 02:27:52,800
and it's fed my imagination it's ignited

3491
02:27:56,030 --> 02:27:54,359
it since I was a kid

3492
02:27:57,889 --> 02:27:56,040
um and it still does and I still listen

3493
02:28:00,590 --> 02:27:57,899
to an idea I don't necessarily question

3494
02:28:02,990 --> 02:28:00,600
if I believe in it disagree with it or

3495
02:28:05,030 --> 02:28:03,000
not it just takes me to a place and it

3496
02:28:06,410 --> 02:28:05,040
starts thinking and like if that's the

3497
02:28:08,630 --> 02:28:06,420
worst that happens all that's a great

3498
02:28:11,270 --> 02:28:08,640
thing it's the this this this field of

3499
02:28:13,250 --> 02:28:11,280
ours is a big what if box that can get

3500
02:28:15,290 --> 02:28:13,260
our imaginations going and thinking and

3501
02:28:16,670 --> 02:28:15,300
expanding our minds and Horizon so I

3502
02:28:18,650 --> 02:28:16,680
want to thank everybody who comes on

3503
02:28:20,690 --> 02:28:18,660
your show and I listen to and you for

3504
02:28:24,770 --> 02:28:20,700
facilitating such a great place for me

3505
02:28:26,450 --> 02:28:24,780
to steal ideas from hey man what have we

3506
02:28:31,170 --> 02:28:26,460
talked about all night tonight everybody

3507
02:28:36,170 --> 02:28:33,910
[Music]

3508
02:28:38,929 --> 02:28:36,180
sleeping while standing you will find

3509
02:28:41,630 --> 02:28:38,939
which is all true biography stories told

3510
02:28:43,910 --> 02:28:41,640
in these four-page stories one of them

3511
02:28:45,170 --> 02:28:43,920
is about her encounter with a demon so

3512
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:45,180
you want to get that it's called

3513
02:28:48,650 --> 02:28:46,800
sleeping while standing from Avery Hill

3514
02:28:50,389 --> 02:28:48,660
you could just go to Amazon or any

3515
02:28:53,030 --> 02:28:50,399
bookstore you can get it there you want

3516
02:28:55,610 --> 02:28:53,040
to keep this going

3517
02:28:58,250 --> 02:28:55,620
I hear about the demon okay all right

3518
02:29:00,590 --> 02:28:58,260
screw it you guys aren't going to bed

3519
02:29:03,730 --> 02:29:00,600
um I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the chat

3520
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:03,740
room should we hear about Taki's demon

3521
02:29:08,809 --> 02:29:06,000
that's what I say

3522
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:08,819
um let me ask you that how much

3523
02:29:14,710 --> 02:29:11,280
um has moved to

3524
02:29:18,590 --> 02:29:14,720
uh the electronic side of illustration

3525
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:18,600
and how much of it is still traditional

3526
02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:23,040
pencil pen ink and is it a transfer are

3527
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:25,200
you scanning and then finishing stuff

3528
02:29:32,750 --> 02:29:28,560
does it start one way manually right

3529
02:29:35,170 --> 02:29:32,760
analog and then moves over to digital

3530
02:29:37,849 --> 02:29:35,180
um or you know

3531
02:29:40,250 --> 02:29:37,859
imagine that it's a marriage of the two

3532
02:29:44,210 --> 02:29:40,260
I don't know I'm asking you yeah

3533
02:29:47,990 --> 02:29:44,220
nowadays everything I do is digital

3534
02:29:50,510 --> 02:29:48,000
so uh you know penciling inking coloring

3535
02:29:51,530 --> 02:29:50,520
lettering everything is done on my

3536
02:29:53,330 --> 02:29:51,540
computer

3537
02:29:54,950 --> 02:29:53,340
um I used to

3538
02:29:56,110 --> 02:29:54,960
um do like

3539
02:30:00,710 --> 02:29:56,120
um

3540
02:30:03,469 --> 02:30:00,720
what's the word uh analog thank you

3541
02:30:06,770 --> 02:30:03,479
um because you know

3542
02:30:08,530 --> 02:30:06,780
analog art gave me more

3543
02:30:11,809 --> 02:30:08,540
uh

3544
02:30:13,250 --> 02:30:11,819
like fulfillment I I felt more fulfilled

3545
02:30:15,349 --> 02:30:13,260
but

3546
02:30:18,590 --> 02:30:15,359
um as I'm getting older and I have you

3547
02:30:20,690 --> 02:30:18,600
know multiple sclerosis I I you know I I

3548
02:30:24,650 --> 02:30:20,700
just have to like save all of my energy

3549
02:30:27,290 --> 02:30:24,660
so I I I've moved to All Digital now but

3550
02:30:29,270 --> 02:30:27,300
Mike is a little bit different I do a

3551
02:30:31,250 --> 02:30:29,280
mixture of the two most of it starts out

3552
02:30:32,750 --> 02:30:31,260
in my Sketchbook like a page I'll start

3553
02:30:35,150 --> 02:30:32,760
drawing my Sketchbook and then as you

3554
02:30:36,950 --> 02:30:35,160
said I'll scan it in

3555
02:30:38,530 --> 02:30:36,960
um I try to still do things analog

3556
02:30:40,730 --> 02:30:38,540
because there is just a tactile

3557
02:30:42,410 --> 02:30:40,740
spiritual thing you get out of it right

3558
02:30:44,570 --> 02:30:42,420
like that that unexplainable stuff that

3559
02:30:46,250 --> 02:30:44,580
we've been talking about all night

3560
02:30:48,530 --> 02:30:46,260
um but I do a lot of digital because

3561
02:30:50,570 --> 02:30:48,540
it's a little bit faster and as I get

3562
02:30:52,969 --> 02:30:50,580
older my eyes

3563
02:30:54,469 --> 02:30:52,979
um you know I have Mr Magoo glasses to

3564
02:30:55,849 --> 02:30:54,479
draw with

3565
02:30:58,969 --> 02:30:55,859
um and it's just easier to be able to

3566
02:31:01,070 --> 02:30:58,979
you know um zoom into stuff and get it

3567
02:31:02,389 --> 02:31:01,080
done that way so it's and it also

3568
02:31:04,370 --> 02:31:02,399
creates its own look which is

3569
02:31:06,050 --> 02:31:04,380
interesting as well

3570
02:31:07,969 --> 02:31:06,060
um so yeah it's a combination of both

3571
02:31:10,030 --> 02:31:07,979
using technology and um

3572
02:31:14,570 --> 02:31:10,040
and the analog side

3573
02:31:16,969 --> 02:31:14,580
uh now Taki just mentioned Ms and yeah I

3574
02:31:18,889 --> 02:31:16,979
we just can't let that just uh Blow by

3575
02:31:21,950 --> 02:31:18,899
us like that

3576
02:31:24,710 --> 02:31:21,960
um when I I will never forget that day

3577
02:31:26,570 --> 02:31:24,720
man when you guys called me and and we

3578
02:31:28,670 --> 02:31:26,580
talked through that that first couple of

3579
02:31:30,590 --> 02:31:28,680
days

3580
02:31:34,070 --> 02:31:30,600
um and and getting that kind of

3581
02:31:35,450 --> 02:31:34,080
diagnosis and finding out it's a it's a

3582
02:31:37,610 --> 02:31:35,460
game changer

3583
02:31:40,790 --> 02:31:37,620
um but uh

3584
02:31:43,270 --> 02:31:40,800
here you are right and how are things

3585
02:31:46,429 --> 02:31:43,280
going with that and have you figured

3586
02:31:48,830 --> 02:31:46,439
figured things out and and and and and

3587
02:31:51,950 --> 02:31:48,840
and how are you doing

3588
02:31:59,630 --> 02:31:55,790
now been diagnosed and

3589
02:32:01,389 --> 02:31:59,640
I've been on uh DMD which is a disease

3590
02:32:03,830 --> 02:32:01,399
modifying treatment

3591
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:03,840
and uh that's been working out really

3592
02:32:11,570 --> 02:32:08,640
well for me and uh you know I have daily

3593
02:32:13,670 --> 02:32:11,580
problems and symptoms but

3594
02:32:16,130 --> 02:32:13,680
nothing I can't handle

3595
02:32:18,290 --> 02:32:16,140
and um

3596
02:32:21,050 --> 02:32:18,300
yeah it's it's

3597
02:32:26,389 --> 02:32:21,060
do you think about it I think about it

3598
02:32:29,030 --> 02:32:26,399
often yeah yeah I I try not to but

3599
02:32:30,410 --> 02:32:29,040
you know more you uh try not to think

3600
02:32:31,969 --> 02:32:30,420
about it you end up thinking about it

3601
02:32:33,650 --> 02:32:31,979
I'm like okay well I'll just give in and

3602
02:32:37,730 --> 02:32:33,660
I'll I'll think about it and I'll I'll

3603
02:32:42,230 --> 02:32:37,740
sit with it and uh what not so I have uh

3604
02:32:44,809 --> 02:32:42,240
come to a point where I think I have

3605
02:32:47,570 --> 02:32:44,819
um at least I I'm

3606
02:32:50,690 --> 02:32:47,580
I'm in that acceptance stage

3607
02:32:55,330 --> 02:32:50,700
you know so I'm like well I have it so

3608
02:33:00,050 --> 02:32:57,770
you can't snap your fingers right you

3609
02:33:02,330 --> 02:33:00,060
can't you know you can't snap your

3610
02:33:04,370 --> 02:33:02,340
fingers or talk your way out of it

3611
02:33:06,770 --> 02:33:04,380
and I'm never gonna

3612
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:06,780
never gonna be my old self I'm it's this

3613
02:33:13,790 --> 02:33:09,840
disease is never going to be cured

3614
02:33:15,170 --> 02:33:13,800
in my lifetime so uh now what about

3615
02:33:18,530 --> 02:33:15,180
um uh real quick because we're going to

3616
02:33:21,230 --> 02:33:18,540
get to the demons or maybe

3617
02:33:23,929 --> 02:33:21,240
um uh I've asked you this before

3618
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:23,939
privately but now we're discussing it on

3619
02:33:29,570 --> 02:33:26,640
the air it's just you and I Taki

3620
02:33:33,349 --> 02:33:29,580
um your hands you're an artist so did

3621
02:33:36,950 --> 02:33:33,359
how how was that affected oh yeah it's

3622
02:33:41,210 --> 02:33:36,960
it's not good you know I I

3623
02:33:46,190 --> 02:33:41,220
I've come to a place where I decided I'm

3624
02:33:47,570 --> 02:33:46,200
gonna write more and uh kind of get away

3625
02:33:49,130 --> 02:33:47,580
from drawing

3626
02:33:52,130 --> 02:33:49,140
a little bit

3627
02:33:53,510 --> 02:33:52,140
um so yeah I'm gonna write more and draw

3628
02:33:56,389 --> 02:33:53,520
less

3629
02:33:58,610 --> 02:33:56,399
fair enough fair enough and she's also

3630
02:33:59,870 --> 02:33:58,620
always really enjoyed writing more than

3631
02:34:03,110 --> 02:33:59,880
drawing

3632
02:34:05,870 --> 02:34:03,120
yeah I I love I love telling stories I

3633
02:34:07,250 --> 02:34:05,880
love um the the puzzles of like trying

3634
02:34:08,570 --> 02:34:07,260
to figure out

3635
02:34:11,150 --> 02:34:08,580
uh

3636
02:34:14,270 --> 02:34:11,160
how how to like tell a story in a

3637
02:34:17,870 --> 02:34:14,280
certain way and yeah all that stuff so I

3638
02:34:20,510 --> 02:34:17,880
I mean it's not a sad story that I'm you

3639
02:34:23,750 --> 02:34:20,520
know going you know I'm veering towards

3640
02:34:26,450 --> 02:34:23,760
like writing more it's a good thing yeah

3641
02:34:30,530 --> 02:34:26,460
yeah well you know here's

3642
02:34:32,990 --> 02:34:30,540
you can either uh write it out or you

3643
02:34:35,870 --> 02:34:33,000
could tap out to it and you were never

3644
02:34:38,870 --> 02:34:35,880
going to tap out no

3645
02:34:41,450 --> 02:34:38,880
no no no no I've come this far

3646
02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:42,889
real quick

3647
02:34:47,690 --> 02:34:45,600
um what what what about this demon

3648
02:34:50,090 --> 02:34:47,700
encounter at the beginning of the show

3649
02:34:53,210 --> 02:34:50,100
when we were talking about UFOs and and

3650
02:34:56,210 --> 02:34:53,220
and Michael yeah but Rocky's got some

3651
02:34:57,290 --> 02:34:56,220
paranormal stuff so uh what what

3652
02:34:59,510 --> 02:34:57,300
happened

3653
02:35:03,070 --> 02:34:59,520
so this is actually in my

3654
02:35:05,090 --> 02:35:03,080
um autobiography uh comic that I did

3655
02:35:08,450 --> 02:35:05,100
last year

3656
02:35:10,730 --> 02:35:08,460
um and I yeah this is an experience that

3657
02:35:15,110 --> 02:35:10,740
I had when I was about I think I was

3658
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:15,120
about 11 or 12. and my I was alone in

3659
02:35:21,889 --> 02:35:18,080
the house and I've had this um

3660
02:35:25,490 --> 02:35:21,899
flu or you know cold or something that I

3661
02:35:27,650 --> 02:35:25,500
was going through and I was I was taking

3662
02:35:29,090 --> 02:35:27,660
like cold medication blah blah blah and

3663
02:35:30,650 --> 02:35:29,100
I was alone in the house and it was like

3664
02:35:33,170 --> 02:35:30,660
three in the morning

3665
02:35:36,770 --> 02:35:33,180
and I had to I have to go pee

3666
02:35:38,870 --> 02:35:36,780
but I was so weak from you know from my

3667
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:38,880
cold and like taking medicine and all

3668
02:35:43,550 --> 02:35:41,040
that stuff I was just so weak that I was

3669
02:35:45,950 --> 02:35:43,560
crawling to the bathroom

3670
02:35:47,450 --> 02:35:45,960
and I go to the bathroom I do my

3671
02:35:50,090 --> 02:35:47,460
business and I'm coming back I'm

3672
02:35:54,770 --> 02:35:50,100
crawling back and I look into my bedroom

3673
02:35:57,710 --> 02:35:54,780
and it's pitch blacker than

3674
02:36:02,510 --> 02:35:57,720
it should be right it's

3675
02:36:05,929 --> 02:36:02,520
pure darkness and within that Darkness

3676
02:36:10,309 --> 02:36:05,939
there is this this is like disembodied

3677
02:36:12,230 --> 02:36:10,319
like giant head of this Red Demon just

3678
02:36:15,790 --> 02:36:12,240
looking at me

3679
02:36:20,030 --> 02:36:15,800
and I kept thinking to myself like am I

3680
02:36:21,770 --> 02:36:20,040
hallucinating like maybe I was long

3681
02:36:24,110 --> 02:36:21,780
enough for you to think about right I'm

3682
02:36:28,190 --> 02:36:24,120
like this has to be hallucination I mean

3683
02:36:30,230 --> 02:36:28,200
I'm I'm on medication I'm sick

3684
02:36:33,710 --> 02:36:30,240
but it was scary

3685
02:36:37,849 --> 02:36:33,720
but what happened next was

3686
02:36:41,530 --> 02:36:37,859
suddenly I had this urge like this this

3687
02:36:44,450 --> 02:36:41,540
yearning this need to go run downstairs

3688
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:44,460
find the baseball bat that I know was in

3689
02:36:50,809 --> 02:36:49,200
the in in the kitchen and like

3690
02:36:54,650 --> 02:36:50,819
destroying everything in the house like

3691
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:54,660
I had to do it it was so strong and I'm

3692
02:36:59,630 --> 02:36:56,640
like

3693
02:37:01,429 --> 02:36:59,640
I'm so weak and I just crawled to the

3694
02:37:04,190 --> 02:37:01,439
bathroom

3695
02:37:08,210 --> 02:37:04,200
why would I want to do this

3696
02:37:10,250 --> 02:37:08,220
but the the feeling was so strong and

3697
02:37:13,969 --> 02:37:10,260
I'm like okay so maybe

3698
02:37:17,090 --> 02:37:13,979
this this can't be me I I don't there's

3699
02:37:20,690 --> 02:37:17,100
no I don't want to do this

3700
02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:20,700
but I can't help so I I was I sat on on

3701
02:37:24,710 --> 02:37:22,800
top of the stairs and I held onto the

3702
02:37:27,230 --> 02:37:24,720
banister and I'm like holding on like

3703
02:37:28,730 --> 02:37:27,240
super hard because if I let go it was

3704
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:28,740
going to Dart downstairs and I was gonna

3705
02:37:32,809 --> 02:37:30,240
get that baseball bat now it's just

3706
02:37:34,969 --> 02:37:32,819
gonna start going nuts

3707
02:37:37,910 --> 02:37:34,979
um so I was holding and holding and

3708
02:37:40,070 --> 02:37:37,920
holding and by this time like I can't

3709
02:37:41,990 --> 02:37:40,080
see the demon but uh that that feeling

3710
02:37:44,330 --> 02:37:42,000
is just

3711
02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:44,340
very strong

3712
02:37:47,870 --> 02:37:46,080
um and I I don't know how long I was

3713
02:37:49,969 --> 02:37:47,880
holding on to that banister but um

3714
02:37:54,290 --> 02:37:49,979
eventually I'm like I made a plan and I

3715
02:37:56,870 --> 02:37:54,300
was like okay well when I Let Go

3716
02:37:58,730 --> 02:37:56,880
I'm gonna run downstairs but instead of

3717
02:38:00,170 --> 02:37:58,740
going into the kitchen I'm gonna Veer

3718
02:38:03,469 --> 02:38:00,180
toward the front door and I'm just gonna

3719
02:38:11,090 --> 02:38:07,610
so um I use that momentum when I start

3720
02:38:13,130 --> 02:38:11,100
running like I couldn't walk but I was

3721
02:38:15,710 --> 02:38:13,140
running though down down the stairs and

3722
02:38:17,570 --> 02:38:15,720
I ran down the stairs and I veered

3723
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:17,580
toward the front door open the front

3724
02:38:22,610 --> 02:38:19,680
door and I sat down and I sat down in a

3725
02:38:25,969 --> 02:38:22,620
bank of snow and I just sat there for

3726
02:38:28,550 --> 02:38:25,979
I don't know how long but until I felt

3727
02:38:32,450 --> 02:38:28,560
like I can have enough control over

3728
02:38:35,570 --> 02:38:32,460
myself to go back to bed

3729
02:38:39,290 --> 02:38:38,090
um okay we're gonna end it there but the

3730
02:38:41,330 --> 02:38:39,300
question is

3731
02:38:45,070 --> 02:38:41,340
did you go back to bed

3732
02:38:47,570 --> 02:38:45,080
I'm pretty sure I did I was pretty sick

3733
02:38:47,980 --> 02:38:47,580
and that's not the craziest thing in her

3734
02:38:51,790 --> 02:38:47,990
book

3735
02:38:58,610 --> 02:38:55,130
man you guys are the best and you are

3736
02:39:03,469 --> 02:38:58,620
now uh the links uh for Michael's site

3737
02:39:05,469 --> 02:39:03,479
and all things uh oming and asoma are uh

3738
02:39:09,590 --> 02:39:05,479
right there so go and click visit

3739
02:39:12,610 --> 02:39:09,600
Darkhorse go and get this I I don't have

3740
02:39:16,250 --> 02:39:12,620
your bio can uh your biography

3741
02:39:18,530 --> 02:39:16,260
I I've got to read that so thank you so

3742
02:39:20,389 --> 02:39:18,540
much you guys and like I said the next

3743
02:39:22,370 --> 02:39:20,399
time you're you're you're on Fade to

3744
02:39:25,190 --> 02:39:22,380
Black we're going to be doing it live

3745
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:25,200
from the bunker thank you so much thank

3746
02:39:31,370 --> 02:39:28,880
you thank you everybody best show ever

3747
02:39:33,170 --> 02:39:31,380
that's some serious overtime thank you

3748
02:39:35,090 --> 02:39:33,180
guys for staying up late with us all

3749
02:39:37,150 --> 02:39:35,100
right thanks man I'll talk to you guys

3750
02:39:40,849 --> 02:39:37,160
tomorrow thank you so much

3751
02:39:44,090 --> 02:39:40,859
bye Michael oming and takisoma

3752
02:39:48,170 --> 02:39:44,100
absolutely incredible show tonight uh no

3753
02:39:50,270 --> 02:39:48,180
commercials and we just went for nearly

3754
02:39:51,969 --> 02:39:50,280
a full three hours thank you so much

3755
02:39:55,370 --> 02:39:51,979
what a great show

3756
02:39:58,070 --> 02:39:55,380
and uh I want to remind everybody uh

3757
02:40:01,250 --> 02:39:58,080
tomorrow night Stacy Lane Wilson is

3758
02:40:04,429 --> 02:40:01,260
going to be with us and uh director

3759
02:40:07,370 --> 02:40:04,439
author uh researcher tomorrow night

3760
02:40:09,770 --> 02:40:07,380
we're going to be doing musicians and

3761
02:40:13,010 --> 02:40:09,780
the Paranormal and other stuff tomorrow

3762
02:40:14,630 --> 02:40:13,020
night with Stacy Lane Wilson Fade to

3763
02:40:17,630 --> 02:40:14,640
Black is produced by Hilton Jade Palm

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the geek music Doug Aldridge intro space

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boy space boymusic.com Fade to Black is

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changer Network I'm Yours Jimmy church

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tomorrow night Stacy Lane Wilson until

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